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3d experience now in vista-heads up...

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I just got back from S. California where one of things I did was take a trip to Disneyland with the grand kid. Saw the 3d show bugs life/honey shrunk kids etc. which are amazing with 3d things flying at you with a .50 cent pair of 3d glasses and I immediately thought about a pair of 3d glasses for $20 or so I had bought for fs last year about this time.Unfortunately I had traded up to Vista by the time the glasses came-and found that Vista had no support for 3d. They set on the shelf collecting dust this year...nicely built and good price but useless.I came home on the red eye this morning/last night-after 11 days away from home starting checking drivers/program updates which of course always occur while you are out of town.I saw with astonishment that nvidia has released beta 3d drivers for vista available from the nvidia site!Downloaded and tried-still a little rough on the edges (beta)-but this has similar potential to expand the fs world in the same way tracker ir has imho! After looking at the fex clouds in 3d (flicker free) the effect is amazing. Taking a 2d screen and making it 3d without sickening flicker for about $20 US or less is amazing! I had bought some lcd 3d hardware glasses years ago that gave you vertigo/sickness and a little of this for 10 times the price at low resolution-but the cheap glasses available now do a flicker free job with the same effect!Anyway a heads up for Vista users-check it out. I can't find the company I bought mine from (New Zealand I think) a year ago but if you google anaglyph glasses you may pull up quite a few options.Anyway-thought it was worth a heads up. Seeing a 3d view instead of 2d-especially if your monitor is big just has a big potential of another area of increased reality!http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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There's another way to get a 3D image from a couple of 2D ones which you may not have thought of, and without glasses of any sort. You have two images side by side each taken from a slightly different position to enable the stereoscopic perception, then you simply cross your eyes so that the two images are superimposed! simple eh?With a bit of practice there's no eyestrain and the effect is just as 3 dimensionalMike.

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Why, even this forum looks 3D, and I can now look two places at once :)

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Geof, you got my interest piqued! I used to have a pair of old 3-D glasses that I tried with the old ATP program, but that system never really worked out sartisfactorilly. I believe that they had a Red and Green lenses (I can't locate them, so I don't really remember)I have found some clip on glasses athttp://www.berezin.com/3D/3dglasses.htmThey are available in RED/BLUE or RED/CYAN. do you know what dfference that makes and what color lenses do you have?BTW these clip-ons are only $8.95 the postage is a little high, but they still work out to under $20.Pete S.

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OK, thanks.Could you please give me a link to the nVidia 3D drivers?I rummaged through their site, but didn't find this beta. I assume that the Viper glasses you have are nothing special, or are they the kind that need to be connected to something to work?Pete S.

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On the nvidia site:http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d_stereo.htmlYou can get them here :http://downloads.guru3d.com/Yes-the viper glasses are just glasses-nothing to connect. I did have the connect version years ago but the low resolution and flickering made them a no go for me.http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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Thanks Geof,I think I'll look for my old ATP glasses.I guess the glasses I found earlier online should work as well.In any case I will order some and give them a try. Clip-ons should work better since I wear prescription glasses.Thanks again, for the heads up and your help.Pete S.

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So does this turn your FSX screen into a moving Anaglyph, the red and green shifted images? This sounds interesting. I have always been fascinated with stereo 3D images. I still have a bunch of stereo cameras , viewers, and projectors gathering dust and somewhere a pair of Anaglyph glasses. I didn't realize they had video drivers that could convert normal games to Anaglyph. Can you turn the driver on and off or do all full screen games and maybe even videos automatically show the Anaglyph effect? Does it hurt the FPS?

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You have lots of settings in the driver-a few picts shows all the options you can do.I am just starting playing with it so I can't answer everything yet but it is pretty cool-and all you need are a cheap pair of glasses! :-)http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/187006.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/187007.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/187008.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/187009.jpg

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>You are welcome Pete!>Let us know how you find it-I think there is huge potential>here-especially now with the bigger screens.Yea, I can't wait to see it. I run my FSX on a Viewsonic 32" LCD.Pete S.

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The Eyecessories glasses have optically balanced red and green (anaglyph) lenses. That way, the colours you see in the sim are the "truest". Not all anaglyph lenses are equal, so with the Eyecessories, you are getting the best balance that I have seen.Running anaglyph drivers on your computer will give you a significant frame rate hit. You are asking your video card to come up with simultaneous red and green passes for each frame. It's something like turning on bloom, except even more so. Generally, NVidia has been kind of pokey coming up with anaglyph drivers, usually you have to roll back your driver number a version or two to make it work. When I upgraded my video card, I lost the ability to use 3D, or so I thought. It sounds good that they've got Vista drivers up, though! Here is the AVSIM review for the Eyecessories glasses:http://www.avsim.com/pages/0107/3D/3D.htmHere is a review I wrote. At the very bottom, in the Final Word section, I use an anaglyph image so you can see what Jackson Hole looks like from the air in true 3D. If you have glasses other than Eyecessories lying around, you can try looking at the image and see what you think.http://www.avsim.com/pages/0707/USA/USA.htmFinally, in terms of cinematic experience, anaglyph seems to be giving way to polarized lenses. In the coming couple of years, the big Hollywood movie studios expect to release and re-release several blockbuster films in 3D. Advances in projector technology have allowed the use of polarized stereoscopic imagery. To see the images in 3D, you wear what are essentially weak sunglasses with one lens turned around to create differential polarizations. The advantage over anaglyph is that you see true colours. However, polarization only works (as far as I know) on large projection screens, it's not so great for monitors right now. By the way, there is a cheap "trick" to simulate 3D on any TV or monitor. All you do is hold your hands flat in front of your face, one palm facing you and one palm facing away. Hold both hands so that one set of fingers points horizontally right and the other to the left. Stick both thumbs straight out ninety degrees. One thumb should point straight up and the other straight down. Now arrange your hands so that the thumbs touch the tips of your index fingers. You will see a frame between your hands. Sometimes, you see film directors do this with their hands to "frame" a shot. Now hold this frame so that it blocks out your view of the plastic that surrounds your TV screen. Hold your hands far enough away that they are not blurred in your vision. When looking through the frame, the TV images will appear kind of 3D. This seems to work best with sports broadcasts, as there are not many close-ups. It's a physiological trick that works because your hands are disrupting your visual focal plane, and it fools your eyes into thinking that the image beyond the screen is no longer flat.Jeff ShylukAssistant Managing EditorSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM

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I use this driver, very stable, not beta, and is more user friendly.http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?produc...2&cat=14&page=1The cost? $4.99This driver also has a screenshot function whereby pressing the prt sc takes an anaglyph / side by side / and normal shot, all in jpeg format, and stores them in a new folder, created by default, in my pictures. I still run fsx on XP so this driver is perfect. Also fine with vista. And yes you do require a fast machine / video card to run in anaglyph mode. Here are some 3D screenies I took flying around in FTX..http://orbxsystems.com/forums/index.php?topic=1756.0

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For me it is not working in Vista 64, I can run the test application but in FS9 I see only a small 3D band in the down corner of the cockpit so I think there is a bug or my system can't handle it. Earlier versions viewed well in XP but was very unstable. I also have ordered the Vipers a couple of months ago.I found out that lights are a issue within 3D/MSFS.In my earlier experience I saw the PAPI light double and could't fix it. Please let me know how your experience are with these improved Nvidia drivers and the light issue to get them in line.Happy Landings...C2D 6750-P35-8800GTS/320-4Gb RAM 2x Raptor 150

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EDITHave ordered also the DDD 3D drivers for $ 4,99 and it works directly under my Vista64.I only have to solve the AA because it is not working well with Nhancer and my system is not powerful enough. I am stick with 8 to 12 FPS with a lot of aliasing and shimmerI was wondering what a dual GPU like the new ATI or Nvidia will do because the scene has to be rendered twice now...Maybe one of you of the lucky folks with a dual GPU can give the answer.Happy Landings...

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You've really opened up a can of worms.I had just finished getting FS9 to run beautifully when I read your post. You made me curious enough to install NVidia stereo drivers for Windows XP. The results running FS9 under XP were mixed.Just for kicks, I installed FSX (for about the eighth time) on my Vista partition and ran it with the newly-released Nvidia stereo drivers.Long story short: I don't know how I can go back to 2D again, or FS9 for that matter. I'm not running a powerful machine, but I can manage 20 FPS in glorious steroscopic 3D. Throw Tileproxy into the mix, and it's just incredible. Firing it for the first time in 3D gave me the same rush I got when I took my first introductory flight a few years ago.Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. You've not only swayed me to switch to 3D, but to Vista and FSX too.

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>Has anybody used this with a Matrox TH2GO and LCD monitors?Indeed, I have that exact set-up and it works like a dream. This driver is configured for multi-Monitor support. Can anybody remind me of the hot-keys as I have forgotten all of them, Thanks.No probs Geofa, glad it worked for you too. Nice screenshots too.

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