21 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Understanding the internet, the data from the Asobo servers to each individual user goes through multiple routes. Looking at it like water pipeines, if one of the pipes is only 1/8 of an inch anywhere in this entire route, this would restrict the data coming to your PC. It doesn't matter if you have a 12-inch water main feeding your PC; it is that one 1/8" restriction that will cause the problem. So you could have a 1GB fiber into your home and still get stutters, and slow loading of tiles. 

Yes Bob, I am well aware of how the internet works. this makes the assumption that MSFS is ALWAYS saturating that 1/8" of you're supposed 12 inch water main, which it never does. I advise you re-read the entirety of what I said, you have a habit of reading a portion then replying. There's been no demonstration showcasing MSFS 2020 or 24, saturating a 100mbps connection for the entirety that the sim is used. Or to use your analogy, saturation for an extended period of time, an ISP's or IXP's downstream bandwith.

Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Lucky38i

8 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

With digital storage so cheap now a days, why did MS/Asobo decided to stream 99% of the sim is just beyond me. I suppose there are a good reasons to justify going this route. It is what it is.

This is their claim

 

 

5 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

I suppose there are a good reasons to justify going this route.

Yes. There are. 
 

There are two storage requirements. 
 

1. the main sim files (No scenery!). Asobo has stated multiple times that installing the whole sim would take around 1.5 TB. This is insanely big for a game, but yes, many home users can install this, within reason. 
 

However, that’s without any scenery.  You need the scenery to make MSFS what it is. And that takes …

around 3 Petabytes (3000 TB). 
 

no one is going to install THAT!  
 

That’s more than all the data in most mid sized companies. Heck some large corporations may not approach this. 
 

So this really is what it takes to create the most detailed rendition of the entire planet done till date by anyone. 

If “why streaming”  still escapes you, well 🤷

There are many videos where Jorg and Seb have explained it - like the one just posted. 
 

Now of course you can say they are just lying because of (your reason).. but at that point it’s kinda the end of the conversation. If the heads of the game are simply lying to my face, not much I can do or say besides just not play. 

2 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

1. the main sim files (No scenery!). Asobo has stated multiple times that installing the whole sim would take around 1.5 TB. This is insanely big for a game, but yes, many home users can install this, within reason. 
 

However, that’s without any scenery.  You need the scenery to make MSFS what it is. And that takes …

around 3 Petabytes (3000 TB). 

I strongly believe they shot themselves in the foot by going this route, FS2020 works just fine and has proven to be reliable, 1.5TB is quite cheap now a days.

4 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

1.5TB is quite cheap now a days.

And what about the rest of the 3000 TB? 

4 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

I strongly believe they shot themselves in the foot by going this route

Yes for sure there are pros and cons and your opinion is valid and shared by others -  not an extreme opinion. 
 

Time will tell  

It is going to be interesting to see this play out. If nothing else, it’s exciting that they are trying new things to move the sim world forward. 

3 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

And what about the rest of the 3000 TB? 

Stream it!

24 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Yes Bob, I am well aware of how the internet works. this makes the assumption that MSFS is ALWAYS saturating that 1/8" of you're supposed 12 inch water main, which it never does. I advise you re-read the entirety of what I said, you have a habit of reading a portion then replying. There's been no demonstration showcasing MSFS 2020 or 24, saturating a 100mbps connection for the entirety that the sim is used. Or to use your analogy, saturation for an extended period of time, an ISP's or IXP's downstream bandwith.

Your reply makes zero sense, it is obvious you don't understand how the internet works, so no point in discussing this with you any further. 

5 hours ago, Jovzin said:

I am not sure what they are thinking . That each household/family is sitting on 1Gbit fiber connection ?   I really do hope they will do it like in MSFS2020. AIrports and planes locally stored and streaming only the terrain,  weather , cities and vegetation.

Because of where I live, I have a maximum 50 Mb download speed. The copper cable from the junction box to my house goes 200 meters through a forest and in the end I generally get about 40 to 45 Mb to my computer. If we drop out the first couple of weeks and its teething issues, I have not experienced stutters while flying, particularly thinking about the last three weeks when I flew a lot. The time from launch to being in the game is almost always less then 3 minutes. So, for what it is worth, my experience with 2024 has been that it is stable and works just fine in terms of streaming. I much prefer 2024 to the 8 minute load time I had in 2020 -- that was getting just brutal and there were times I would not fly because of that long load time. 

In terms of data usage, I generally fly almost every day, sometimes just an hour but most days I will get two or three hours in. In the last month, 2024 has used just under 8 Gb of data, which is not that much more than 2020.

So, I think for most people worries about connection speed and data usage need to be placed in context and for probably the majority of people in advanced technological societies (not the 35 to 40 percent of the world that does not even have an internet connection) will be able to use 2024 just fine.

Hopefully soon they will enable downloads of scenery and aircraft and then 2024 will basically be like 2020 but give us a little more control over what we install. But the benefit is fewer updates and dramatically reduced loading times!

Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Cognita

i hope one day that MSFS includes an option in the MS store to select if you want certain scenery or airplanes streamed or locally stored. 

Some airplanes i never use so no need to download and almost always are flying on only one continent. 

9 minutes ago, Cognita said:

 

In terms of data usage, I generally fly almost every day, sometimes just an hour but most days I will get two or three hours in. In the last month, 2024 has used just under 8 Gb of data, which is not that much more than 2020.

So, I think for most people worries about connection speed and data usage need to be placed in context and for probably the majority of people in advanced technological societies (not the 35 to 40 percent of the world that does not even have an internet connection) will be able to use 2024 just fine.

 

In December, according to the Xfinity data app, I used 1.49TB of data.  I watch a 2k TV about 2 hours a day, and I live alone, so no other users in my home using data. I fly around 2-3 hours a day on average.  I wish I could cut my data down to under my data cap of 1.2 TB, but I couldn't, so I had to purchase unlimited data.. BTW, this is pretty close to what the data usage in MSFS is showing. 

Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Bobsk8

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Your reply makes zero sense, it is obvious you don't understand how the internet works, so no point in discussing this with you any further. 

Yes bob, you also do have a tendency to bury your head in the sand about things you don't understand and deflecting on the situation. To put it simply, no, MSFS is not constantly using the 1/8" portion of the 12" main that you so aptly described.

1 minute ago, bigifooti said:

i hope one day that MSFS includes an option in the MS store to select if you want certain scenery or airplanes streamed or locally stored. 

Some airplanes i never use so no need to download and almost always are flying on only one continent. 

That's coming with the release of the marketplace, why Asobo decided to release the sim without the functionality of it's stable cash stream is a mystery to me, but I'm guessing it's the beancounters that demanded a late 24 release, regardless of the state of the sim.

3 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

Yes bob, you also do have a tendency to bury your head in the sand about things you don't understand and deflecting on the situation. To put it simply, no, MSFS is not constantly using the 1/8" portion of the 12" main that you so aptly described.

You still don't get it, and I have been working in the high end electronics field my entire career, before I retired, so I don't need a lecture from you. Go bug someone else.