I know it's cloud based. What I meant was, is all of it on the cloud? Even the menu. So far I'm not at all impressed by this product.  Still trying to dial it in before deciding if I want to refund it.  It's certainly not ready for release.  There are days I log in and it crawls.  Everything crawls.  The menu system operates with a multi second delay.  Clicking on resume or quit does nothing.  This morning I had to CTRL ALT DEL to exit the program because it simply was not responding.  I could click the selections so it wasn't frozen, it just didn't react.  There are times when it's decent but nowhere near the smoothness of 2020.  Is there something I'm doing wrong with the setup? I don't get it.  How is the menu system running at what appears to be 2 frames a second.  Then there's the flying part and I have a rig that can run it in ultimate....sometimes.  Wondering if others are experiencing this.  I've read mixed reviews on this SIM so is it just a selection or some setting I may have messed up because I know some of you seem to have no issues whereas for others is not even usable.  

Edited January 7, 20251 yr by DarkMantle

Pretty much entirely server based and you are therefore at the mercy of the Server and the internet. Enjoy !

 

2 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Pretty much entirely server based and you are therefore at the mercy of the Server and the internet. Enjoy !

 

My guess is Austin Meyer is laughing about this. 

Just like 99% of my day job these days. 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

My guess is Austin Meyer is laughing about this. 

He wishes his sim had 3000 concurrent users right now lol

3 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

Just like 99% of my day job these days. 

Yes, the idea that the Cloud isn't capable of MSFS is quite laughable when you are actually aware of the mission critical including Federal systems that are entirely dependent on the cloud.

It may not be what people are used to or understand but to think it's not capable is kind of funny...  There are millions of organizations running their entire HW management plane entirely in the cloud globally. 

 

31 minutes ago, psolk said:

Yes, the idea that the Cloud isn't capable of MSFS is quite laughable when you are actually aware of the mission critical including Federal systems that are entirely dependent on the cloud.

It may not be what people are used to or understand but to think it's not capable is kind of funny...  There are millions of organizations running their entire HW management plane entirely in the cloud globally. 

 

Very true and every one of those Government departments, businesses and NGOs will come to heavily regret they bought into it.

If you get a chance I can recommend Firewall by Andy Mcnab, it seemed a bit OTT when it was written, not any more its becoming reality.

 

Don;t forget italso  means even governments worldwide rely on a small number of ultra rich political extremists (think Musk an Bozo) to operate their systems

I for one am not at ease with this brave new world, I know its not engineered for anyone but the top 1%  to benefit

 

Edited January 7, 20251 yr by Rusty Spanner

In my opinion cloud based services are way forward in the future - As of now, the current infrastructure implemented by Asobo/MS is not capable of running it efficiently. As a result you are at mercy of their already crammed servers - one day it could be working and one day it might not work at all. 

Edited January 7, 20251 yr by CAP1234

Fully aware that I'm going against the popular rhetoric to bash the cloud streaming model here but honestly if the menu system is that slow and laggy for you that it is running at 2fps and then crashes then the problem is highly likely to be on your end. With the exception of the 2-3 days post release, the menu system for me now is not really any less responsive than FS2020, and I've yet to have a CTD - again, possibly one or two in the days immediately post release.

Edited January 7, 20251 yr by Tom Wright

15 minutes ago, Rusty Spanner said:

Very true and every one of those Government departments, businesses and NGOs will come to heavily regret they bought into it.

Why would they? on-prem servers have no way of keeping up with the dynamic scalability of cloud services. It's cheaper, you remove your single point of failure and drastically improve your availability.

 

17 minutes ago, Rusty Spanner said:

Don;t forget italso  means even governments worldwide rely on a small number of ultra rich political extremists (think Musk an Bozo) to operate their systems

I for one am not at ease with this brave new world, I know its not engineered for anyone but the top 1%  to benefit

There's extremely regulated SLAs, contractual obligations and levels of encryption surrounding customers using CSPs. No Musk (Musk doesn't even own any CSPs) or Bozo can't just log into some AWS Superuser and hold your systems hostage, it doesn't work that way.

What is this tinfoil nonsense?

12 minutes ago, Tom Wright said:

Fully aware that I'm going against the popular rhetoric to bash the cloud streaming model here but honestly if the menu system is that slow and laggy for you that it is running at 2fps and then crashes then the problem is highly likely to be on your end. With the exception of the 2-3 days post release, the menu system for me now is not really any less responsive than FS2020, and I've yet to have a CTD - again, possibly one or two in the days immediately post release.

It literally changes with the time of day. Right now it's not so bad

2 minutes ago, DarkMantle said:

It literally changes with the time of day. Right now it's not so bad

Out of interest does your internet speed/performance in general fluctuate at different times of day or is it only affected MSFS? If you do a speed test on your connection at a time when MSFS is not working properly what sort of speed and latency are you seeing?

2 minutes ago, Tom Wright said:

Fully aware that I'm going against the popular rhetoric to bash the cloud streaming model here but honestly if the menu system is that slow and laggy for you that it is running at 2fps and then crashes then the problem is highly likely to be on your end.

 

Yeah .. nah..

I had the very same issues as the OP.. My PC and internet service was very much ok. You cannot really speak for anyone's experience since your variables are completely different to the variables the OP has.

We are talking

ISP connection and quality, internet nodes, location of where MS servers are and the demand levels at the time the user logged on.

Mind you for the most part MSFS2024 works. But MSFS2024 does not come with strict Service Level Agreements like government and healthcare industry.

For the most part i do not mind the streaming of some components of the sim. However this level of thin client implementation for pretty much all elements of the program has me sceptical. I think an intermediate level of this streaming would have been better rather than going all in.

2 minutes ago, Tom Wright said:

Out of interest does your internet speed/performance in general fluctuate at different times of day or is it only affected MSFS? If you do a speed test on your connection at a time when MSFS is not working properly what sort of speed and latency are you seeing?

It's pretty stable. It's always just under 800/MBS all day or night. It's just mfs

2 minutes ago, Maxis said:

For the most part i do not mind the streaming of some components of the sim. However this level of thin client implementation for pretty much all elements of the program has me sceptical. I think an intermediate level of this streaming would have been better rather than going all in.

I do agree with this.

I look forward to it being possible to fully download airports and aircraft rather than only being able to stream them in. For example the waiting for textures to stream in for the runway when on approach is an immersion killer. I also have a hunch that some developers of add on airports have chosen to incorporate default textures for things like runways in their scenery so even though this airport is installed locally in your community folder there are still certain elements of it that are being streamed and causing a delay in loading in, which is annoying.