Hi, after all this years - how do you manage trim in these aircrafts ?

I still dont get it why a small adjustment feels like rollercoaster

A2A Comanche is really something else

MSFS2020 btw - hopefully MS2024 feels better

Thanks

Michael Moe

For the Comanche, there is an elevator trim speed in Advanced options (on the tablet). My slider is set to about 1/3.

15 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

For the Comanche, there is an elevator trim speed in Advanced options (on the tablet). My slider is set to about 1/3.

Yep thats why i still have a hard time flying the PMDG's birds. You apply a little trim and 2 seconds later its a roller coaster.

Finding the balance is hard

More normal in Ifly737 Max 

Michael Moe 

3 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

Yep thats why i still have a hard time flying the PMDG's birds. You apply a little trim and 2 seconds later its a roller coaster.

Finding the balance is hard

More normal in Ifly737 Max 

Michael Moe 

It's not just the trim, the aileron, elevator, and rudder controls are so sensitive in MSFS. You see those videos of pilots landing in some lively weather swinging the yoke around, if you tried that in MSFS you'd be doing a barrel roll. You always have to dial the sensitivity right down.

I fired up IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 the other day as it was going cheap on Steam. With my VKB controllers I didn't have to change a thing, aileron, elevator, rudder, and trim input were all fine.

To be honest, hand flying has always been a weak spot of the PMDG.  There are several strange things about their flight model that they've always kind of ignored.  I've seen them push the narrative in their forum that airline pilots basically don't hand fly so it's not that important.  Dunno .. I usually hand fly up to 18k, and click everything off on base  / intercept heading 🤷‍♂️.  

Agree that the iFly feels a lot better.

This topic is basically convincing me I need to fly the ifly more…

32 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

To be honest, hand flying has always been a weak spot of the PMDG.  There are several strange things about their flight model that they've always kind of ignored.  I've seen them push the narrative in their forum that airline pilots basically don't hand fly so it's not that important.  Dunno .. I usually hand fly up to 18k, and click everything off on base  / intercept heading 🤷‍♂️.  

Agree that the iFly feels a lot better.

Hand flying the PMDG in MSFS I think I've done once where I just flown it around the city to see how it behaves, but I don't remember if I encountered any trim issues. But I may have the sensitivity adjusted down. But I do remember flying the PMDG 737 in FS9 and FSX was a pleasure to hand fly.

14 hours ago, Bigmack said:

Hand flying the PMDG in MSFS I think I've done once where I just flown it around the city to see how it behaves, but I don't remember if I encountered any trim issues. But I may have the sensitivity adjusted down. But I do remember flying the PMDG 737 in FS9 and FSX was a pleasure to hand fly.

How did you manage to adjust sensitivity for electric stabilizer adjustment trim? Never seen that anywhere besides as mentioned with external flughtmodels like the A2A Comanche as example.

I also really like to handfly up/below 10000 feet 

Michael Moe 

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by Michael Moe

15 hours ago, ianb2469 said:

This topic is basically convincing me I need to fly the ifly more…

Since I bought the iFly, I haven't touched the PMDG, I feel it is a step backwards. 

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Since I bought the iFly, I haven't touched the PMDG, I feel it is a step backwards. 

I was testing out my FMC from Winwing 😉 Hopefully iFly Max is getting attention in this regard soon.

Michael Moe 

1 hour ago, Michael Moe said:

How did you manage to adjust sensitivity for electric stabilizer adjustment trim? Never seen that anywhere besides as mentioned with external flughtmodels like the A2A Comanche as example.

I also really like to handfly up/below 10000 feet 

Michael Moe 

In flight_model.cfg look for:

 

[flight_tuning]

elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.25

A higher value will translate to a higher sensitivity/speed, and a lower value will slow it down. 

 

The issue is that ASOBO got this one wrong. There is no momentary delay in stab trim response. In real airplanes, when you use the stab trim, there is no delay; it's instant. This can be adjusted only if you have FSUIPC. If you do, let me know, and I will tell you how to do it. 

3 hours ago, LRBS said:

In flight_model.cfg look for:

 

[flight_tuning]

elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.25

A higher value will translate to a higher sensitivity/speed, and a lower value will slow it down. 

 

The issue is that ASOBO got this one wrong. There is no momentary delay in stab trim response. In real airplanes, when you use the stab trim, there is no delay; it's instant. This can be adjusted only if you have FSUIPC. If you do, let me know, and I will tell you how to do it. 

Hi buddy, just sent you a PM. I'm interested on how you got it set through FSUIPC. It would be best if you could reply here so anybody could benefit from your knowledge on the most realistic way to set elec trim. Thanks a lot in advance.

12 minutes ago, SN737 said:

Hi buddy, just sent you a PM. I'm interested on how you got it set through FSUIPC. It would be best if you could reply here so anybody could benefit from your knowledge on the most realistic way to set elec trim. Thanks a lot in advance.

Hi, I replyed to your message. Didn't notice this post.

 

Please delete the assignments in the MSFS menu and create them only with FSUIPC. We need to avoid conflicts.

 

I assume that you already have the trim switches set via FSUIPC. If not, do so, or let me know if you need any help.

Next, in FSUIPC directory find fsuipc7.cfg file and edit this entry to show this.

 

 

[Buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,0 

 

After this change, you will have no delay in actuating this elevator trim.

 

Best regards.

20 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Hi, I replyed to your message. Didn't notice this post.

 

Please delete the assignments in the MSFS menu and create them only with FSUIPC. We need to avoid conflicts.

 

I assume that you already have the trim switches set via FSUIPC. If not, do so, or let me know if you need any help.

Next, in FSUIPC directory find fsuipc7.cfg file and edit this entry to show this.

 

 

[Buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,0 

 

After this change, you will have no delay in actuating this elevator trim.

 

Best regards.

Thanks a lot man. Yes I got it configured through FSUIPC through preset selection: PMDG B737 Elevator Trim Inc, PMDG B737 Elevator Trim Decr. But I already had Button Repeat with this option set: 

[Buttons]
PollInterval=25
ButtonRepeat=20,10

Should I try with 20,0?

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by SN737

Ok I set it with your value, the difference I'm noticing is that when I release the trim button now the wheel keeps rolling for a second which did not happen with msfs elev trim assignmet.