7 hours ago, mistolip said:

Just to be sure: you both are aware BATC has a map specially for taxi guidance?

Very much so. But a map that shows you a taxipath iss unrealistic. In real life you look at the charts and then follow the taxi signs.

 

That's why I personally don't use the map, but I would use a virtual copilot that gives me instructions.

Edited February 19, 20251 yr by Farlis

27 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Very much so. But a map that shows you a taxipath iss unrealistic. In real life you look at the charts and then follow the taxi signs.

The problem is, the lettering on the taxiway signs are extremely small and unreadable.  I can't read any of the letters on the taxiway signs in MSFS 2024 at the airports unless I move the plane super close to it, which defeats the purpose because by then, I'll have moved past where I should have turned.

Unless I am cross checking a printed version of airport chart on my tablet or on a second monitor, I can't find a better way to navigate an airport other than the BATC airport taxiway map which shows the taxiway letters and is easy to read (I am not subscribed to Navigraph).

Edited February 19, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Ah!  Yes, you're right - that's actually a feature I really like in BATC ( also present in FSHUD if I correctly recall ? ).

Strangely in this other example you can see the designators:

Yeah, for some of the Lido airport charts, they don't have the taxiway letters, but in this other example, they do.  I wonder why that is.

I can't say BATC is progressing in the way I like. I also am cleared for the approach way too early. I just entered a STAR and with 55 nm to go ATC already clears me for the ILS transition, telling me to descent to 3000 ft. I get that almost all the time lately. It's as if ATC is sick and tired of its job and simply tells you to fly the entire STAR and approach to your own liking because it just doesn't want to talk to you anymore. 😎 I'd expect a clearance for an ILS when I am close to it, not 55 nm out after just entering the STAR. I remember that in the past BATC cleared my when I got close to the IAF but now it's always miles and miles away...

I still like BATC, the interface and the immersion it gives, but the actual controlling leaves a lot to be desired.

LLM is nice and all but you'd expect BATC to have the basics right after all this development time.

I also just switched to tower because I didn't get handed off but no one yelled at me for leaving the previous freq. Nah... too many things still not working as I hoped.

Edited February 19, 20251 yr by mistolip

28 minutes ago, mistolip said:

I can't say BATC is progressing in the way I like. I also am cleared for the approach way too early. I just entered a STAR and with 55 nm to go ATC already clears me for the ILS transition, telling me to descent to 3000 ft. I get that almost all the time lately. It's as if ATC is sick and tired of its job and simply tells you to fly the entire STAR and approach to your own liking because it just doesn't want to talk to you anymore. 😎 I'd expect a clearance for an ILS when I am close to it, not 55 nm out after just entering the STAR. I remember that in the past BATC cleared my when I got close to the IAF but now it's always miles and miles away...

I still like BATC, the interface and the immersion it gives, but the actual controlling leaves a lot to be desired.

LLM is nice and all but you'd expect BATC to have the basics right after all this development time.

I also just switched to tower because I didn't get handed off but no one yelled at me for leaving the previous freq. Nah... too many things still not working as I hoped.

Depends on the last waypoint in your flightplan, and fly the Star like a pilot does. 

28 minutes ago, mistolip said:

I can't say BATC is progressing in the way I like. I also am cleared for the approach way too early. I just entered a STAR and with 55 nm to go ATC already clears me for the ILS transition, telling me to descent to 3000 ft. I get that almost all the time lately. It's as if ATC is sick and tired of its job and simply tells you to fly the entire STAR and approach to your own liking because it just doesn't want to talk to you anymore. 😎 I'd expect a clearance for an ILS when I am close to it, not 55 nm out after just entering the STAR. I remember that in the past BATC cleared my when I got close to the IAF but now it's always miles and miles away...

I still like BATC, the interface and the immersion it gives, but the actual controlling leaves a lot to be desired.

LLM is nice and all but you'd expect BATC to have the basics right after all this development time.

I also just switched to tower because I didn't get handed off but no one yelled at me for leaving the previous freq. Nah... too many things still not working as I hoped.

Spot on and I've not been w/ BATC for that long.  With all of the accolades it has received I'm surprised it's not further along with these BASICS.  And then there is the sad stuttering AI traffic (I'm not alone on this!) and performance impact with their injector.

14 hours ago, mistolip said:

I can't say BATC is progressing in the way I like. I also am cleared for the approach way too early. I just entered a STAR and with 55 nm to go ATC already clears me for the ILS transition, telling me to descent to 3000 ft. I get that almost all the time lately. It's as if ATC is sick and tired of its job and simply tells you to fly the entire STAR and approach to your own liking because it just doesn't want to talk to you anymore. 😎 I'd expect a clearance for an ILS when I am close to it, not 55 nm out after just entering the STAR. I remember that in the past BATC cleared my when I got close to the IAF but now it's always miles and miles away...

Well, doesn’t it make sense to fly the STAR and the transition? Usually I’m cleared for the ILS a few miles from the FAP. I do the descent at my own discretion, so that I don’t end up at 3000ft 20nm out. 

It seems people are confused about a SID clearance and a Clearance to Land here. I was under the impression that a controller will clear you down the SID, including the active rwy, and you will need to descend the SID whilst watching for constraints, before getting handed over to Tower and then getting your landing clearance as normal. I think BATC does this perfectly. I've been using the app exclusively for a few hundred hours now and never experienced any early descents. In fact I've been called by ATC to remind them when I want to descend.

51 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Well, doesn’t it make sense to fly the STAR and the transition? Usually I’m cleared for the ILS a few miles from the FAP. I do the descent at my own discretion, so that I don’t end up at 3000ft 20nm out. 

Yes, it does make sense to fly the STAR but ATC simply shouldn't clear me for the final approach until I get there imho and afaik. Lately BATC almost always clears me for the approach while I am not even close yet. ATC should let me fly the STAR and then clear me for the ILS or whatever when I am almost there. That makes more sense to me.

I also do various things (more and more) at my own discretion but that's not what I bought an ATC addon for. I can do everything perfectly fine at my own discretion. I didn't buy BATC to ignore it.

25 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

It seems people are confused about a SID clearance and a Clearance to Land here.

ATC cleared me for the ILS when I just entered the STAR. Seems BATC is confused here. 😉 

Mind you, I refuse to fly without BATC because it adds to the immersion and it gives you something to do during a flight but after using BATC since the very first beta I simply was hoping it would have been better by now. There still are way too many problems, specially with the final stage of flight. Each and every day problems with the final stage of flight are being posted on their Discord: you'd think that by now those kind of problems would have been solved.

I posted it before but I still doubt if the devs will ever manage to make BATC work good and reliable for a 100%. As long as people have to ignore ATC and do things at their own discretion this addon isn't what it's supposed to be.

Edited February 20, 20251 yr by mistolip

1 minute ago, mistolip said:

Yes, it does make sense to fly the STAR but ATC simply shouldn't clear me for the final approach until I get there imho and afaik. Lately BATC almost always clears me for the approach while I am not even close yet. ATC should let me fly the STAR and then clear me for the ILS or whatever when I am almost there. That makes more sense to me.

I also do various things (more and more) at my own discretion but that's not what I bought an ATC addon for. I can do everything perfectly fine at my own discretion. I didn't buy BATC to ignore it.

ATC cleared me for the ILS when I just entered the STAR. Seems BATC is confused here. 😉 

Pardon thats my mistake, clearance for STAR and Clearance to Land, are 2 different things and are normal parlence for ATC, no?

48 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

I was under the impression that a controller will clear you down the STAR, including the active rwy, and you will need to descend the STAR whilst watching for constraints, before getting handed over to Tower and then getting your landing clearance as normal.

It's my impression that (B)ATC clears you (or should clear you) for the STAR and that the same controller clears you for the initial approach later on (something like "you are 5 miles away from <IAF>, cross <IAF> at 2500 ft, cleared for the ILS") and only once you are on the correct path you will be handed over to tower. And after that tower will clear you for the landing.

15 minutes ago, mistolip said:

It's my impression that (B)ATC clears you (or should clear you) for the STAR and that the same controller clears you for the initial approach later on (something like "you are 5 miles away from <IAF>, cross <IAF> at 2500 ft, cleared for the ILS") and only once you are on the correct path you will be handed over to tower. And after that tower will clear you for the landing.

What you describe here is what happens on most of my BATC flights. Except that I’m usually still on approach frequency as I capture the localizer, report established, and then at some stage get handed over to twr.

1 minute ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Except that I’m usually still on approach frequency as I capture the localizer, report established

Yes, that's what I meant with 'once you are on the correct path'. 😉

My problem with BATC lately is that the clearance for the initial approach is usually given somewhere at the start of the STAR already or at least way too early. Something has changed here and I do hope they will change it back quickly.

11 minutes ago, mistolip said:

My problem with BATC lately is that the clearance for the initial approach is usually given somewhere at the start of the STAR already or at least way too early. Something has changed here and I do hope they will change it back quickly.

To be honest, even though I’ve owned BATC since day 1, I’ve used other ATC addons much more. It’s only during the last couple of weeks I’ve been using BATC regularly. Hence I might not have used it enough to notice these issues. Also, I’m not an IFR rated RW pilot, so I’ll leave it to more proficient people to comment on how realistic the procedures are.

Edited February 20, 20251 yr by Cpt_Piett

Btw, I noticed on the flight last evening that the interface doesn’t show the whole readback sentence anymore. Instead it shows the core «components» necessary for the readback. I think that’s a welcome change, as it’s up to the user to figure out how to use the correct phraseology. 

Even though I try not to look at the interface, I still need to refer to it every now and then. Like in the last flight from El Prat when the taxi instruction consisted of something like 10 components…. I referred to the interface, did one attempt (which failed) then let the FO do it 🙃

Edited February 20, 20251 yr by Cpt_Piett