3 hours ago, Noel said:

I am totally enamored with BATC's ultra user-friendly interface.  It is exquisitely simple yet fully effective.

I will absolutely give the UI top marks! 

My last flight with it into Gatwick from Glasgow was laughable.  At the point I should have been at FL150 west of Heathrow, I was given decent to 4,000ft and cleared onto the 26 ILS!!

1 hour ago, Adamski_NZ said:

I'm on the early access version - does that mean LLM is automatically activated (with the latest update)? I can't seem to be able to tell, one way or another.

Yes, you have LLM in EA.

Easy to tell though, try asking for anything a little bit out of ordinary.

18 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I will absolutely give the UI top marks! 

Looks amazing. I am going to pickup BATC soon.  For me it has two critical options:   Auto Respond and Auto Tune.  

However I also hope BATC will one day add an option to provide Taxi Guidance with a little arrow either in the sim or the dialog window somewhere.  That would be a killer feature I reckon when you want to have an easy taxi to terminal etc.

Are there any plans to integrate with Vatsim ?

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Greazer

12 minutes ago, Greazer said:

That would be a killer feature I reckon when you want to have an easy taxi to terminal etc.

What I would like better is a kind of virtual pilot monitoring. Because in real life you have a chart in front of you and not a path drawn for you on it.

So the pilot monitoring will read the chart for the pilot flying and give instructions.

So instead the copilot could say after the readback of the taxi clearance: "Go straight ahead take the 3rd left then the first right and then the gate is the 5th on your left."

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Farlis

31 minutes ago, Farlis said:

So the pilot monitoring will read the chart for the pilot flying and give instructions.

So instead the copilot could say after the readback of the taxi clearance: "Go straight ahead take the 3rd left then the first right and then the gate is the 5th on your left."

Yeah I want Both!

Pilot monitoring and arrows for directions. Both optional.

Also I hope the copilot can have full AI capabilities. For flight guidance, ATC help, tips or aircraft operations, random conversation, cabin crew help or just anything.

Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Greazer

9 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Also I hope the copilot can have full AI capabilities. For flight guidance, ATC help, tips or aircraft operations, random conversation, cabin crew help or just anything.

That's what SayIntention has, including running through checklists which you can either download or modify to suit your tastes. They'll also run briefings based on your SimBrief flight plan if you ask them to.
And the SkyOps stuff, especially something like S&R, adds a whole new dimension on top where you have to work with the rescue crew onboard, notify dispatch, manage ATC, etc. 

It's been a while since I checked out BATC and things like this new LLM may just get me to do it. I do think what both SI and BATC demonstrate is just how much AI is the future of ATC for flight sims, that's undeniable.

1 hour ago, Greazer said:

Looks amazing. I am going to pickup BATC soon.  For me it has two critical options:   Auto Respond and Auto Tune.  

However I also hope BATC will one day add an option to provide Taxi Guidance with a little arrow either in the sim or the dialog window somewhere.  That would be a killer feature I reckon when you want to have an easy taxi to terminal etc.

Are there any plans to integrate with Vatsim ?

SI offers those features and you can have lights, arrows or something else, I forget. It also has the ability to work with VATSIM. I do love the ability to turn SI on and off by the click of a button I assigned to my joystick as it lets me use SI for airports with towers within PE coverage area, so I can get best of both. Or just turn off ATC and use all the non ATC voice features of SI.

I get it though because how BATC does AI, I dont see it being as quick and easy to jump in and out of the app. I Have BATC and really like it so I support all 3 ATC addons of PE, SI, and BATC and find they all have their pros and cons.

 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I will absolutely give the UI top marks! 

My last flight with it into Gatwick from Glasgow was laughable.  At the point I should have been at FL150 west of Heathrow, I was given decent to 4,000ft and cleared onto the 26 ILS!!

Yeah on a hop from Eagle KEGE to Denver KDEN, BATC didnt tell me to descend until I was almost over the airport and then I went 40nm past it before I jumped out of the vc to look at the UI and it was stuck on processing my response. I had to restart the UI. Might of been my fault though bc I had all the traffic on 8 so it was non stop talking from ATC and AI.
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

What I would like better is a kind of virtual pilot monitoring. Because in real life you have a chart in front of you and not a path drawn for you on it.

So the pilot monitoring will read the chart for the pilot flying and give instructions.

So instead the copilot could say after the readback of the taxi clearance: "Go straight ahead take the 3rd left then the first right and then the gate is the 5th on your left."

Actually Garmin just added this feature to their new G3000 touchscreen:
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/15dgkbYiUH/

 

 

I picked up BATC and been using it maybe about 6 weeks now, it's great for flying airliners for sure, haven't encountered any too soon to descend behaviour myself given I can call ready for descent but when I missed doing so I do get instructed to descend around the same time I'm at the TD as well so that's working well for me. Seems that complaint is more with IFR and GA type aircraft which I haven't really flown with BATC admittedly so I can't really comment on that.
The one issue I did indeed have happen twice seems to be addressed already with this patch as well looking at the video which was taxiing and being told to stop for other taxiing traffic either too late or other traffic taking a collision course and ending up in a stand off.   So seeing that sorted out that will be a very nice tweak!

I haven't even gotten myself to start using my own voice yet even, I just can't get myself to get past that bit of stagefright for lack of a better term and that's where the product clearly shines even more.

But really the only complaint I have about BATC is that I didn't pick it up sooner!

Say Intentions does Not sequence other aircraft and doesn't work with FSLTL though?

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I will absolutely give the UI top marks! 

My last flight with it into Gatwick from Glasgow was laughable.  At the point I should have been at FL150 west of Heathrow, I was given decent to 4,000ft and cleared onto the 26 ILS!!

I hear you several of my flights have been worse than default 2020 ATC!  Really basic stuff it's got a ways to go for sure.

BATC remains a mess for OTHER THAN airliner flight.

A simple flight from KTVC to KPLN in the PC24 filed for 11,000 ft.  

Aside from the fact that it had me call center (ARTCC/FIR) to pickup the IFR clearance (on the ground at a TOWERED airport), didn't think ground control existed, and then the only way to depart IFR was to contact the tower LMAO....

I climbed to 11000 and it vectored me on course.... but then... laughable (as usual) instructions...."descend and maintain 1000"  *heavy sigh*  The KPLN airport elev is 721....

C'mon - BASIC understanding of altitude constraints and some basic terrain info is BADLY needed.  This is NOT a mountainous area people....  pretty flat area...

Anyway I continue to indulge it but without the descent, I switch frequencies and now it tells me to descend to 10,000 ft.  Ok I can work with that.

I change approach (at least that is an option now!) to RNAV 32, thinking it will give me a IAF.  WRONG AGAIN.  It wants to radar vector to me.  Just give me an IAF so I can fly it on my own, that's the WHOLE point of RNAV.  Anyway, it turns me AWAY from a normal point that any air traffic controller would vector someone.  In this I've drawn a red arrow at the IAF on the RNAV 32 into KPLN.  It turns me left LMAO.  

I'll leave it at that for now - but this isn't a one off for me... these kinda short range (sub 200 mile flights) end poorly every time... whether ATC descends me too low, never really vectors me to the approach in use, turns me away from my first fix for miles and miles, etc, it doesn't matter.  It's still VERY much experimental.  I would avoid it for general aviation/corporate aviation flying (unless you're doing a lot of structured SIDS/STARs at larger airports).  The relatively few flights I've done with airliners or just overall structured flights with say the Lear 35, it does pretty well.

I can forgive a LOT of things with this app, but very basic features are badly broken.

 

 

 

I tried it again after a year and the first thing it gave was cleared via the SONUS departure with the SONUS transition in the clearance. Giving the arrival also as a transition in the clearance.

This bug I already reported  longtime ago as beta tester. Strange that something basic like that is still wrong.

Edited February 19, 20251 yr by rob0203

28 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Say Intentions does Not sequence other aircraft and doesn't work with FSLTL though?

It "works" with FSLTL in that it sees traffic and will tell you to hold, will delay your take off clearance, etc.

Full traffic is coming soon - apparently big reveal will be at FSWeekend. The actual traffic system will be more like VATSIM where controllers are AIs but traffic are other players (both real time and past) rather than injected AI.

It's a different approach to BATC – not saying better or worse, but I think ultimately will come down to personal preferences.

45 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

BATC remains a mess for OTHER THAN airliner flight.

A simple flight from KTVC to KPLN in the PC24 filed for 11,000 ft.  

Aside from the fact that it had me call center (ARTCC/FIR) to pickup the IFR clearance (on the ground at a TOWERED airport), didn't think ground control existed, and then the only way to depart IFR was to contact the tower LMAO....

I climbed to 11000 and it vectored me on course.... but then... laughable (as usual) instructions...."descend and maintain 1000"  *heavy sigh*  The KPLN airport elev is 721....

C'mon - BASIC understanding of altitude constraints and some basic terrain info is BADLY needed.  This is NOT a mountainous area people....  pretty flat area...

Anyway I continue to indulge it but without the descent, I switch frequencies and now it tells me to descend to 10,000 ft.  Ok I can work with that.

I change approach (at least that is an option now!) to RNAV 32, thinking it will give me a IAF.  WRONG AGAIN.  It wants to radar vector to me.  Just give me an IAF so I can fly it on my own, that's the WHOLE point of RNAV.  Anyway, it turns me AWAY from a normal point that any air traffic controller would vector someone.  In this I've drawn a red arrow at the IAF on the RNAV 32 into KPLN.  It turns me left LMAO.  

I'll leave it at that for now - but this isn't a one off for me... these kinda short range (sub 200 mile flights) end poorly every time... whether ATC descends me too low, never really vectors me to the approach in use, turns me away from my first fix for miles and miles, etc, it doesn't matter.  It's still VERY much experimental.  I would avoid it for general aviation/corporate aviation flying (unless you're doing a lot of structured SIDS/STARs at larger airports).  The relatively few flights I've done with airliners or just overall structured flights with say the Lear 35, it does pretty well.

I can forgive a LOT of things with this app, but very basic features are badly broken.

 

 

 

 

 

I tried a couple of GA flights with BATC awhile ago, and it is not really suited for that in my opinion. Better off just flying without ATC, but I almost never fly GA anymore, so not an issue for me. 

55 minutes ago, Georgleboui said:

It "works" with FSLTL in that it sees traffic and will tell you to hold, will delay your take off clearance, etc.

Full traffic is coming soon - apparently big reveal will be at FSWeekend. The actual traffic system will be more like VATSIM where controllers are AIs but traffic are other players (both real time and past) rather than injected AI.

It's a different approach to BATC – not saying better or worse, but I think ultimately will come down to personal preferences.

I'll believe it when I see it.

On both of these, the technology is sure promising - but so much of the craze in AI in the larger tech world right now is a bubble. It doesn't surprise me that neither product has hit maturity in 18 months - in a lot of cases people have really bought into the craze and are expecting applications and fidelity that LLMs struggle with at best (and really can't do).

I'm prepared to be proven otherwise, but I'm not convinced fully automated ATC is something an LLM is ultimately capable of doing. Just my $0.02 from a tech sector worker who saw a lot of money go "poof" with the Deep Seek launch, and hears all these very promising AI claims every day at work.