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New RTX 4070 Super - MSFS 2024 ground scenery looks terrible

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Below are two images taken at the north end of KSEE airport in El Cajon (San Diego) California

The trees, rocks, ground texture are all terrible.  My settings TLOD 300 and OLOD 200 with everything set to ULTRA running on a 48" 4K screen.

Until I installed the RTX 4070 - I 'kinda ignored all the discussions about the sims "aggressive" (??) management of images and textures - but what I see is horrible

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Edited by TacomaSailor

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Did you disable the internal dynamic LOD?  Although that looks bad even for the Dynamic Lod in 24.  

 

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Dynamic LOD is off and I am not using MSFS_AutoFPS for these screen shot.

Scenery looks great in the air but the ground scenery at 200 yards out to 800 yards is dismal

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51 minutes ago, TacomaSailor said:

Dynamic LOD is off and I am not using MSFS_AutoFPS for these screen shot.

Scenery looks great in the air but the ground scenery at 200 yards out to 800 yards is dismal

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Photogrammetry can either look wonderful or atrocious.  San Diego area is definitely an area that looks great from the air but awful on the ground - 2020 will have the same issues depending on area.

Turn off photogrammetry if a particular area bothers you.

Edited by MrBitstFlyer

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@TacomaSailor Well, that is photogrammetry at its worst. If you really want to improve the look of San Diego Gillespie [KSEE], install Vince Bazillio’s excellent freeware package.

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28 minutes ago, TacomaSailor said:

Dynamic LOD is off and I am not using MSFS_AutoFPS for these screen shot.

Scenery looks great in the air but the ground scenery at 200 yards out to 800 yards is dismal

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Make sure Ansitropic is set to 16.

dd

Edited by Sky_Pilot071

24 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Make sure Ansitropic is set to 16.

dd

And turn off Photogramme. You might be surprised.

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31 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Make sure Ansitropic is set to 16.

dd

I set Anisotropic to off in the Simulator and set it to 16X in the nvidia control panel. That way you're making your GPU work instead of the cpu in the sim. I always keep the Photogramme option turned on.

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9 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

I set Anisotropic to off in the Simulator and set it to 16X in the nvidia control panel. That way you're making your GPU work instead of the cpu in the sim. I always keep the Photogramme option turned on.

This has nothing to do with anisotropic filtering. It’s just rubbish photogrammetry. 

You're simply looking at TIN/photogrammetry here.  It looks bad up close like that.  It's the same in 2020.

Pretty much looks bad unless you're at 2000 agl or above imo.

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Something (?? seem to say that a lot with 2024) went wrong while flying in the sim and then landing to take the two pics above.  I did have aniso set to 16 and photogrammetry on.  I turned photo.. off and quit the sim, letting it end normally.

Then tried to restart the sim with photo... off and VBCorp (my favorite addons) installed along with Map Enhancement (which was not on in the photos above).  I found that I could not get any airport south of a line extending due east from KSBA (Santa Barbara) to load.  The sim would spin at 10% CPU busy but do no disk reads or network ops.  I restarted the sim more than five times with different airports (San Diego and LA counties) and every time the sim would spin loading but never complete.  This problem occurred even with an empty community folder.  

Finally set up a flight out of KSBA with ORBX addon and the L70 (Aqua Dulce) airport from VBCorp.  Those operated perfectly with photogrammetry off and Map Enhancement on. 

I then returned to KSEE with photogrammetry ON and found thing looking very nice at the same spot I took the photos above.  I then loaded VBCorp KSEE along with Bing Map Enhancement, turned photo... off and the scenery now looks almost life like.

Don't know what happened but it sure was annoying. 

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2 hours ago, Bigmack said:

I set Anisotropic to off in the Simulator and set it to 16X in the nvidia control panel. That way you're making your GPU work instead of the cpu in the sim. I always keep the Photogramme option turned on.

That's not correct, anisotropic filtering is always done by the GPU, not the CPU, even if you enable it inside the sim. Anisotropic filtering has nothing to do with your issue anyway, it's just bad photogrammetry. If you want to use photogrammetry don't look at it from a short distance and you will be fine.

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32 minutes ago, Alvega said:

anisotropic filtering is always done by the GPU, not the CPU, even if you enable it inside the sim.

Do you know why some recommend turning off in the sim and setting in NVidia control panel?

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39 minutes ago, Alvega said:

That's not correct, anisotropic filtering is always done by the GPU, not the CPU, even if you enable it inside the sim. Anisotropic filtering has nothing to do with your issue anyway, it's just bad photogrammetry. If you want to use photogrammetry don't look at it from a short distance and you will be fine.

Not trying  to argue with you but I never said anisotropic was run by cpu, but if you check it on in the sim. the cpu process and send commands to the gpu. If it's turned off in the sim and turned on using nvidia control, then the gpu will process commands and let the cpu handle other commands.

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