Southwest jet narrowly avoids colliding with business jet at Chicago airport

 

 

 

 

 

These incidents are becoming far too frequent...

 

Going to be interesting to hear the ATC on this one... 

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Going to be interesting to hear the ATC on this one... 

ATC & Ground Control was provided in Juan's video above.

It’s clear to me Flexjet failed to obey ATC instructions. The enquiry will establish why. I have to say some of these instructions are delivered very quickly. Seems to be a trend with US ATC.

21 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Seems to be a trend with US ATC.

Yes, indeed. You won't find such dangerous nonsense anywhere in the world. They don't realize the implications; their primary concern is moving as many airplanes as possible at any cost, disregarding safety. Why they don't use flow control like everyone else is doing is beyond understanding. On top of that, pilot training varies significantly between operators. Regrettably, it will take a few more incidents before some "smart" people figure this out. 

@LRBS, I live 3 miles from EGCC and I'm listening to Manchester ATC on my Yupiteru scanner with a roof-top array.

The speed of instructions is pretty close to how people speak. Maybe US controllers should be told to speak more slowly.

I have often wondered how pilots quickly learn the "lingo". It's almost like a test to see how astute the pilot really is.  The controller was much more understandable when he repeated to hold short in a slower demeanor. With the shortage of pilots in the US this could be seen as a dangerous situation. Not all of these people have been around a long time.

 

Bill W.

I was surprised to see the FAA data on runway incursions...over 1700/year across the nation for the last 3 years...arguably every year, with a drop during the Covid years. (2019 also had over 1700.) Imagine...this sort of thing happens 4-5 times every day.

https://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/statistics

1 hour ago, BillW said:

Not all of these people have been around a long time.

And not all have English as their first language.

I must confess that I found it hard to understand what was said by ATC. The airline pilot was very clear, however.

 

Hoover always does the best break downs on things like these.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

And not all have English as their first language.

Indeed, there has been an English proficiency requirement for your license for a long time. The issue is more complicated; each region in the U.S. and worldwide has a different accent, and many controllers have weird accents that make it difficult to understand. Imagine one of them talking fast, eating words, etc. At JFK, my base, it's a total nightmare; we often find ourselves telling the ATC to take it easy. Sometimes, many of us living in the area have difficulty understanding them. What frustrates me the most is when they issue instructions so quickly that we locals can't keep up with their nonsense, plus they can be nasty with the international pilots. We're totally embarrassed. As I said, one day, someone will see the light and change this. Unfortunately, it may take some unfortunate events before that happens.  

Edited February 26, 20251 yr by LRBS

This totally blows my mind😢. With a military aviation baseline, you learn to be extremely cautious. It comes with being young and entrusted with flying a multi million dollar aircraft all around the world. You always confirm, confirm confirm. Sterile cockpit was serious below 10,000ft. You are very cautious with clearances, runways and taxiways, especially at busy airports. When given instructions, you made sure they made sense. Entering runways, you checked final and Navy final. It's a joke, but you checked both ends. If it looked suspect, stop and confirm again. I don't care if you get annoyed with me or put us in the penalty box, it's better than hurting yourself, others or bending metal. I have flown in all areas in the USA and world. Even with fast speech, difficult accents and low audio quality, you manage by being extremely cautious and confirming. I've been in areas where they talk to others in one language, but to you in English. Not ideal, but you manage. One thing I liked that was frowned upon is cleaning up on the runway. That was taboo in the military. If I'm going into places like KJFK, LFPG or any other busy airport that I'm unfamiliar with, we clean up on the runway once getting to turnoff speeds. You are safe, you are in a controlled area so the other person can clean up as you slow to turn off. Once on the taxiway, I need all ears on the radio and all eyes outside and on the diagram.      

2 hours ago, G550flyer said:

This totally blows my mind😢. With a military aviation baseline, you learn to be extremely cautious. It comes with being young and entrusted with flying a multi million dollar aircraft all around the world. You always confirm, confirm confirm. Sterile cockpit was serious below 10,000ft. You are very cautious with clearances, runways and taxiways, especially at busy airports. When given instructions, you made sure they made sense. Entering runways, you checked final and Navy final. It's a joke, but you checked both ends. If it looked suspect, stop and confirm again. I don't care if you get annoyed with me or put us in the penalty box, it's better than hurting yourself, others or bending metal. I have flown in all areas in the USA and world. Even with fast speech, difficult accents and low audio quality, you manage by being extremely cautious and confirming. I've been in areas where they talk to others in one language, but to you in English. Not ideal, but you manage. One thing I liked that was frowned upon is cleaning up on the runway. That was taboo in the military. If I'm going into places like KJFK, LFPG or any other busy airport that I'm unfamiliar with, we clean up on the runway once getting to turnoff speeds. You are safe, you are in a controlled area so the other person can clean up as you slow to turn off. Once on the taxiway, I need all ears on the radio and all eyes outside and on the diagram.      

Yep, it's all about training and discipline. Unfortunately, this happens quite often.