2 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

You mean couldn’t? 

typo, corrected!

6 hours ago, Rimshot said:

Spoken like a true MSFS 2020 shark👍😆

MSFS 2024 is getting there. It's a matter of time before these numbers change and you and everyone else, now reluctant to jump on the 2024 wagon, will be on board. Then there will be the next version, lol.

Yeah, when it is ready, I will probably get it, but it is far from that now for sure. Maybe another 6 months. 

1 hour ago, micstatic said:

Yeah I think if somehow Microsoft decided to totally pull the plug on 2020 and 2024, most of the hardcore sim type would move to xplane not p3dv6.  

And the sales of 4 TB drives will skyrocket, to hold the scenery, 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

And the sales of 4 TB drives will skyrocket, to hold the scenery, 

Why? Map enhancement streams the same bing images as MSFS. In fact it streams newer ones. 

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

34 minutes ago, RobJC said:

But then as i play around with XP12 it becomes clear that the people creating it are very experienced.

Sure--they've been at it now over 26 years.  And yet they still have a fraction of the market share of MSFS.

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Noel

33 minutes ago, RobJC said:

I was messing around with XP12 and configured my controls. So easy and intuitive. Only someone with no experience at all in flight sims could have come up with FS24’s control assignment design. But then as i play around with XP12 it becomes clear that the people creating it are very experienced. With FS24 (and FS20) a lot of non simmers clearly are working on the project. But the vast difference in resources is clear in many areas. It’s David vs Goliath. 

I saw a video just after 2024 was released  of someone setting up some of their controls, and I was amazed at what a nightmare that was compared to 2020. That alone helped me  decide to stay far away from 2024. 

36 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

I bought 2024 last night... Back to 2020 and XP12 for now.  

That's hilarious.  Took me a few days to get everything setup correctly and since then all has been well, save the limited airliners available.

2 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Why? Map enhancement streams the same bing images as MSFS. In fact it streams newer ones. 

So you don't have to install any scenery in XP anymore? 

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

So you don't have to install any scenery in XP anymore? 

No. Just use map enhancement. 
 

The ironic thing here is; you probably have to install more scenery to MSFS20/24 to get accurate airports than you do to XP12, due to the community effort in XP12. Also, looking at the addon scenery market for MSFS, it makes you wonder why it all sells so well, if everyone is happy with it ‘out of the box’. If I used my local airport out of the box in MSFS, it’s atrocious. So I had to install a paid 1.2GB addon. 

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yeah, when it is ready, I will probably get it, but it is far from that now for sure. Maybe another 6 months. 

As another airliner flyer who uses APL as well as SLC and GSX 2024 works just great but lacks the airliners we would like to use.  As soon as a few of them arrive there will be little to no reason to stay in 2020 that I can see.

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

That's hilarious.  Took me a few days to get everything setup correctly and since then all has been well, save the limited airliners available.

“Took me a few days” - and therein lies the problem.

I’ll be doing the same thing over a period of time, but from a UI design and interface standpoint I don’t think I’d call it a success.

Just now, Gilandred said:

“Took me a few days” - and therein lies the problem.

I’ll be doing the same thing over a period of time, but from a UI design and interface standpoint I don’t think I’d call it a success.

I resorted to learning spad.next. Way easier than that UI they implemented in 24. It’s a headache that thing. And that’s saying something. 

2 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I resorted to learning spad.next. Way easier than that UI they implemented in 24. It’s a headache that thing. And that’s saying something. 

I tried the XP demo a few years ago, and I have to admit, XP's  control setup is the best. It is intuitive and easy. 

33 minutes ago, Greazer said:

They (Msobo) should be cleaned out, to make way for new managers that put simmers first.

I wouldn’t necessarily go that far.  But, I do wonder if they actually play their game outside of testing limited scenarios.  Having more resources isn’t always a good thing.  You can end up with bloat and bureaucracy that stifles efficiency and creativity rather than fostering it.

9 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

“Took me a few days” - and therein lies the problem.

I’ll be doing the same thing over a period of time, but from a UI design and interface standpoint I don’t think I’d call it a success.

Very true but then again what's a 'few days' in the context of YEARS of use?  I'm 1000% certain it would take far more time to get familiar w/ Xplane's own version of setup for new users, and that because I'm very familiar with 2020 and they share a lot of similarities.