2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

XP12 atmosphere is better than both 2020 and 2024, as are the clouds most, but not all, of the time. However this is my opinion, so yours may differ. 
 

pic from over xp forum 

I have looked at several recent XP12 videos including the one Bob posted and more often than not weather/clouds look considerably worse than what I see in 2024.  That pic for the XP forum would be a super rare image...after what I've seen in videos.

18 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just found this video, interesting, if this is default scenery. 

 

 

I can make you a video of default MSFS20/24 airports if you like and put one side by side with an XP12 airport. And I can guarantee the XP12 one will have ZERO problems with popping objects and LOD. It’ll also have real life taxi signs.

There isn’t much point in cherry picking. Again it takes a couple of hours to setup XP12 with map enhancement and sim heaven. And that takes the scenery level to good levels. Not as good as msfs by any stretch. Again, cherry picking. Each sim has pros and cons. Use what you wish. But comparing scenery like in that video that you posted, is like having a drag race with a ford and a Porsche 911 turbo. It’s pointless. 
 

 

 

Just now, Noel said:

I have looked at several recent XP12 videos including the one Bob posted and more often than not weather/clouds look considerably worse than what I see in 2024.  That pic for the XP forum would be a super rare image...after what I've seen in videos.

That’s because the videos are BEFORE XP12.2 beta… do some due diligence instead of just believing the first thing you see/read. 

Anyways that’s me signing out of this conversation. Just remember, variety is the spice of life and don’t keep all of your eggs in the same basket. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Not as good as msfs by any stretch.

Pretty well sums it up and by you no less.

Cheers

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Pretty well sums it up and by you no less.

Cheers

Cherry picking my quote now and quoting me without context. To clarify, what I said was:-

I can make you a video of default MSFS20/24 airports if you like and put one side by side with an XP12 airport. And I can guarantee the XP12 one will have ZERO problems with popping objects and LOD. It’ll also have real life taxi signs.
There isn’t much point in cherry picking. Again it takes a couple of hours to setup XP12 with map enhancement and sim heaven. And that takes the scenery level to good levels. Not as good as msfs by any stretch. Again, cherry picking. Each sim has pros and cons. Use what you wish. But comparing scenery like in that video that you posted, is like having a drag race with a ford and a Porsche 911 turbo. It’s pointless. 

 

 

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

18 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

That’s because the videos are BEFORE XP12.2 beta… do some due diligence instead of just believing the first thing you see/read. 

Show me ONE good video that demonstrates a serious improvement in the fluff I've seen so far.

18 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Cherry picking my quote now and quoting me

There was only ONE WAY to interpret that comment, sorry.  You made that comment directly after stating you enhanced default and yet still was 'not as good as MSFS by any stretch'.

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Noel

I'm pretty sure this was the video that got to the point quickly as to what is critical to understand about controller setup in 2024:
 

 

9 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Incorrect.

The most highly classified items are related to comms and Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures.

There is a simply shocking amount of available hard data on many weps, systems, and aircraft.

And much of the rest can be readily inferred by folks familiar with that world.

Don't believe the hype no its not and I have worked on military bases (ordinance propellant) before. You just don't implement those things in video games for kids to use and adults that are not qualified.

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

Asobo/MS deserve it. The hefty price on release with clearly a pre-Alpha build giving no release caution as to its actual state; screwing up respected developers like PMDG by screwing up all kinds of things with an already stable predecessor; and botching up on top of that the release itself and; six months later with beta builds a marketplace just now getting back to some semblance of sanity - the numbers speak for itself.  

 

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by lenny777

4 hours ago, Noel said:

Solo había UNA MANERA de interpretar ese comentario, lo siento. Lo hiciste justo después de decir que habías mejorado el valor predeterminado y, aun así, "no era tan bueno como MSFS ni por asomo".

I use 2024 and X-plane 12 as I have said many times here and x-plane as I have it set up graphically is much nicer than 2024. Of course you have to spend time configuring and installing addons, I also have to do the same with 2024. 

The unfinished business of xp12 is performance, the biggest advance of 2024 is not the graphics no matter how much nonsense is said here, the biggest virtue of 2024 is its performance.

In the end I do not marry any simulator, I marry with the addon that for me are what motivates me to fly this week for example I have already 5 flights with A2A Comanche despite the CDT, last week I flew exclusively the 525 Torquesim in Xp12 and I enjoy equally.

One of the biggest improvements for me with 2024 over 2020, other than the flight model, is just how much better NZ looks.
It was so awfully over-saturated and cartoony before, but now looks much closer to reality.

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by Georgleboui

6 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just found this video, interesting, if this is default scenery. 

 

 

XP 12 clouds look terrible because they are blurry.  This is not a problem with MSFS 2020/2024, or even DCS World. The blurry clouds are unique to XP 12.  It's like your friend left their glasses on the table, and you picked up your friend's glasses and put them on even though their glasses totally don't match your vision at all.

It's something that LR hasn't figured out since the beginning of XP 12. XP 12 clouds have so much catching up to do, to catch up to MSFS 2024 clouds.  And before anybody says the video above isn't 12.2.0, here is 12.2.0 from LR themselves, and you can see the clouds are still blurry (even in the portrait they are using for the Youtube video, you can obviously see that the clouds are blurry):

And clouds are so vital to flight simulation. It really ruins the experience, with the blurry clouds, IMO. But anyways, this is my opinion - everyone may have a different opinion.

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Don't believe the hype no its not and I have worked on military bases (ordinance propellant) before. You just don't implement those things in video games for kids to use and adults that are not qualified.

I don't believe hype.

I'm reflecting on my time in the US Navy as an Intelligence Specialist with a high level clearance.

Nothing in flight sim is "one for one" to reality. And it just doesn't need to be in order to deliver an engaging and realistic experience.

In fact, we're getting to the point that more technical realism could be said to be delivering LESS fun.

If the DCS World A-10C is realistic enough that the USAF uses it to train IRL A-10C pilots, despite the fact that the aircraft still has highly classified systems, its more than enough to poke a hole in your contention.

And do you think that there aren't forked development modules for exactly these reasons...?