25 minutes ago, Brian Mackie said:

MrBitstFlyer -  "Found a setting in the Map Enhancement tool that has improved the ortho" - care to let us know what that setting is?

I just found I had Ground resolution to normal so switched it to high. Also Pre-Load was off.  Nothing earth shattering ☺️

Loving the haze effects in this screenshot.  Mountains gradually disappearing into the haze as the view pans left.  I have noticed the haze can vary right through the scene, where MSFS has individual blotches of haze.

Oh wow!  I am stunned with this image!  The sharpness, draw distance, lighting, clouds and haze effects are stunning!  I have been tuning the settings today and getting it just right for my HDR monitor.

You guys should check out the clouds in X-Plane 12. Much better than MSFS 2024 6 ways to Sunday. Check out the 40 minute mark to see the accuracy of real time clouds at different elevations. Zibo mod BTW is a free 737 that is incredible! Spolier alert: Youtuber is using ActiveSky (https://hifisimtech.com/)

 

Edited May 24, 20251 yr by alanw2005

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I just found I had Ground resolution to normal so switched it to high. Also Pre-Load was off.  Nothing earth shattering ☺️

Have you noticed a difference in the flight physics and modeling between MSFS 2024 and X-Plane 12?

This is what I have noticed. In X-Plane in a small plane you have to use rudder pedals to do a coordinated turn. In MSFS 2024 turns are coordinated without pedals and if you actually use rudder pedals in MSFS 2024, the turn can easily become uncoordinated.

25 minutes ago, alanw2005 said:

Have you noticed a difference in the flight physics and modeling between MSFS 2024 and X-Plane 12?

This is what I have noticed. In X-Plane in a small plane you have to use rudder pedals to do a coordinated turn. In MSFS 2024 turns are coordinated without pedals and if you actually use rudder pedals in MSFS 2024, the turn can easily become uncoordinated.

Today I installed X-Camera and HeadShake.

I have definitely noticed the difference with flight physics and modelling from 2024.   

18 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Try a dry destination. No haze/fog 🙂

In this case it would no longer be a problem.🙂

I saw a comment over on the MSFS forum where a user has deleted XP12 demo several times - because of excessive haze.  He says he opens XP12, feels like he is flying around in a world full of steam, then deletes the demo.  This is going back to that all important first impression!  I can watch countless YouTube pilot videos and without exception the haze is far less than what I see in XP12, or indeed out of the my window with live weather.  Of course there are days with lots of haze - I can see that outside my home, but in my experience with XP12 the visibility is mostly too low.

How many are intrigued by the latest weather improvements in XP12 beta, install the demo, but then run within minutes because of the excessive haze?

I have settled on downloading real weather, seeing 14.9 miles visibility again, then change to manual weather to set the visibility to something near reality.  15 minutes later I switch to live weather and repeat.  I think taking a look at visibility should be a priority for Laminar.  

 

The problem is that most of the sim users aren't real pilots but "pedestrians" (I won't use the term Xbox crowd 🙂). When they walk around their house, they have a very limited view of a few hundred meters or at best very few kilometers and within this limited view there's not so much total humidity in the air. So they think it has to be this way too, when you're up in the air. But there (actually very obvious 😉) you have many kilometers until the horizon and thus much more humidity and "fog". Laminar knows that, as many of them are RW pilots (not only Austin) or even instructors. So, they won't change anything (unless you can prove them wrong with mathematical and/or meteorological facts).

Edit: 2 pictures from this thread.

Close to the ground - clear and no fog until the visibility limit.

 

Up in the air:

Edited June 5, 20251 yr by uwespeed

32 minutes ago, uwespeed said:

When they walk around their house, they have a very limited view of a few hundred meters or at best very few kilometers and within this limited view there's not so much total humidity in the air.

I drive all over the UK everyday.  One day in Scotland, the next Cornwall then Wales somewhere.  I see the visibility from high up regularly with the horizon being visible much further than the standard XP12 14.9 miles.  As I said, I can watch a hundred cockpit videos with visibility much higher than virtually every flight in XP12.  Of course, I can also have clear days where the horizon disappears after a few miles because of Haze - just nowhere near as often as XP12 depicts it.

Their algorithms may be perfect, but the way that translates into the sim seems flawed, with the visibility way off what can be observed IRL.  It doesn't put me off XP12 of course, but it is something I wish they could improve, along with shimmering.

I couldn't prove them wrong mathematically in a million years, but my eyes from a couple of thousand feet up don't lie - the haze effects are brilliant, but overdone in many cases.

Edited June 5, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer

In fixed weather scenarios, you can override the slider value by writing to "sim/weather/region/visibility_reported_sm". If you set visibility to 100 nm and move the camera very high (~15 km), you will notice how the ring of resonably detailed terrain around you transitions into a low-res planet texture at some point. It doesn't look really nice and is one factor why Laminar is implementing visibility aloft a bit conservatively. And this will not change until X-Plane gets a new scenery system that supports drawing detailed terrain much farther out at low computing overhead.

12 hours ago, uwespeed said:

The problem is that most of the sim users aren't real pilots but "pedestrians" (I won't use the term Xbox crowd 🙂). When they walk around their house, they have a very limited view of a few hundred meters or at best very few kilometers and within this limited view there's not so much total humidity in the air. So they think it has to be this way too, when you're up in the air. But there (actually very obvious 😉) you have many kilometers until the horizon and thus much more humidity and "fog". Laminar knows that, as many of them are RW pilots (not only Austin) or even instructors. So, they won't change anything (unless you can prove them wrong with mathematical and/or meteorological facts).

Edit: 2 pictures from this thread.

Close to the ground - clear and no fog until the visibility limit.

 

Up in the air:

Lol, come on really the second picture has way too much haze! I think most people on these forums that use flight simulators who are not real world pilots have still flown in planes on trips every now and then and looked out the window at high altitude.

I agree, the first picture looks accurate, but the second has way too much haze for a clear day even at high altitude unless the visibility is set very low.

Edited June 6, 20251 yr by Pugilist2

Laminar is currently looking into the issue - the problem is that the data grabbed from the internet on visibility (the "GRIB" files) are topping out at 15SM visibility reported. Anything above that must be calculated internally by Laminar, using temperature and humidity, and there are some improvements coming.

Fly in Ndjamena in Chad or Phoenix, Az and you will likely see a much higher visibility already - the visibility being "too often" 14.902 sm is under scrutiny.

Think people dont realise or fail to understand, they want world wide real weather with very limited and often delayed or wrong datasets. 

6 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Think people dont realise or fail to understand, they want world wide real weather with very limited and often delayed or wrong datasets. 

I think many do understand the limitations of the data.

I hope Laminar can figure out how to stop an often too limiting 14.9 miles visibility being set in sim. How they do this is way beyond my knowledge, but maybe a figure above 14.9 could be used by default when the reported visibility tops out at 14.9? Are there average visibility figures available for a country that could be used as a default, before laminar can either obtain more accurate data or figure out a new way to calculate it?

I really do appreciate the current haze effects, just not the too often 14.9 miles ☺️

Edited June 6, 20251 yr by MrBitstFlyer