2 hours ago, StoneDoor said:

Ridiculous statement. For a start, Europe is not a country. In my country, service usually is very good. And when it's good, I give a tip.

Luckily, people here don't need tips, they get paid sufficiently.

I never said Europe is a country, but you do have a European Union so it’s not a faux pas to refer to Europe in the collective, just as we have a United States which is a Union and most people will refer to it as the USA instead of listing every state.
 

And within most European countries, it’s a customary practice for restaurant service staff to have the majority of their compensation paid via wages instead of tips. And compared to the US, service is subpar. I’ve been to England, Wales, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, etc. multiple times. I never once left a restaurant thinking how fantastic the service was.
 

The point being, people who get rewarded directly based on their performance tend to be more motivated to do a better job. Secondly, when an employer has to pay a higher wages with benefits, they have less incentive to have adequate staff coverage unlike when most of the expense is not borne by them, especially when their competition has similar compensation practices.

My entire original point was to refute the expressed opinion that staff should be paid mostly in wages and not tips.

15 minutes ago, Mace said:

Well, he did say he's "been all over Europe"...

Maybe he visited the wrong restaurants. There are hundreds of restaurants in my city alone.
Or maybe he was not treated well because he was loud, entitled and arrogant, as some Americans are known for. 

2 minutes ago, StoneDoor said:

Maybe he visited the wrong restaurants. There are hundreds of restaurants in my city alone.
Or maybe he was not treated well because he was loud, entitled and arrogant, as some Americans are known for. 

Yeah, we are all loud, arrogant obnoxious boors. I love Europe and admire many things about it over the culture in the US. I have no problem faulting out practices, like how we build a fast food restaurant on every corner and every exit off a highway, cluttering the landscape. Or how Europe has a far better approach to land management versus the urban sprawl we have here. So my post was not intended to trigger anyone. 

1 minute ago, Gulf76 said:

Yeah, we are all loud, arrogant obnoxious boors. 

I wrote "some" and "maybe".

18 minutes ago, Gulf76 said:

And compared to the US, service is subpar. I’ve been to England, Wales, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, etc. multiple times. I never once left a restaurant thinking how fantastic the service was.

Hmm, I have never been to the US, but I have been to England, Wales, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland and Austria.
I even live in one of them and last night was in an Indian restaurant (In England but serving Indian food) where the service was,
as ever, excellent and a tip was left.  
In my experience, there is excellent service to be found in all of those countries and in the case of Germany and Switzerland, 
I have in the past, been the waiter at your table.

Sometimes it is impossible to please customers, mostly because of the customers themselves.
One of the biggest mistakes for a foreigner in someone else's country to make, is to assume that the country they are in shares
the same values and culture as the ones where they come from.
In particular, I suspect in this case, the fast food approach, where nothing has to be waited for.
All good things come to those that wait and a quick look at US population statistics speaks volumes about the effects of fast food.
 

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by Reader

Here’s a tip.  Lock this pointless  thread because it is fast becoming divisive.  I thought Avsim existed to discuss Flight Sims and Aviation.  Has its mission changed?

-B

5 minutes ago, Mace said:

Wow!  You are not doing yourself any favors posting like this.

Why? The truth hurts?

By the way, I've met many very nice Americans as well.

5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

It took only 5 days for Nederland army to surrender during German invasion in WWII. Then a long, almost 5 years, wait for arrogant loud entitled American to liberate them. LOL  I see where your "love" for Americans are coming from LOL

This is getting childish.

By the way, among those that liberated Europe were many African Americans. Who did have to return to their segregated cities after the war was over.

4 minutes ago, StoneDoor said:

Why? The truth hurts?

By the way, I've met many very nice Americans as well.

We are not in this thread to rudely denigrate Americans.  We're in this thread to discuss Miltech's tip option.

2 minutes ago, Mace said:

We're in this thread to discuss Miltech's tip option.

Which according to others may have been a mistake, it's a default option for their store software.

Edited August 1, 2025Aug 1 by Tuskin38

5 minutes ago, Mace said:

We are not in this thread to rudely denigrate Americans.  

Neither to rudely denigrate European restaurants.

I do not denigrate Americans, I denigrate some Americans. Every country has less pleasant people in its population.  

11 minutes ago, StoneDoor said:

This is getting childish.

By the way, among those that liberated Europe were many African Americans. Who did have to return to their segregated cities after the war was over.

Yes it doesn't seem like a fair deal! Someone segregated  still get fight for freedom someone like you just to be rewarded by personal degenerative bias ! I'm pretty sure right now  Dutch airforce will do much better with those loud obnoxious American planes and helicopters LOL  

5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Yes it doesn't seem like a fair deal! Someone segregated  still get fight for freedom someone like you just to be rewarded by personal degenerative bias ! 

Try to read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. You are escalating for no reason.

22 minutes ago, StoneDoor said:

Try to read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. You are escalating for no reason.

Same for you my friend

2 hours ago, chapstick said:

This thread is so pointless. Tipping is an option on that e-commerce platform, and they left it on. Who cares? Only AVSIM. 

Actually, that’s useful information if it’s the e-commerce site that does it and it’s an opt out that they forgot.

But saying ‘Who cares? Only AVSIM.’ when the very first post is a link to a fairly energetic Reddit discussion?