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Getting airport developers to correct issues.....

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Seriously misaligned runway centreline markings are not a "minor fault". It is something that really should not get past beta testing. It is the first thing that I check when I beta test UK2000 airports.

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Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

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7 hours ago, Marc22 said:

influencers are on all forums; majority will likely have free products or even be paid; to spam.

Im well aware of that.  I manage cabin crew for a living with a large amount of them being influencers, they have to ask the company (via myself) what products they can be paid to spam as some can be a conflight of interest or just simply inapproriate.  (You'd be amazed how much sex toy companys are willing to pay young influencers to spam sextoys)   So im all too familar with it, and trust me theres good money to be made from it if you got a lot of followers. 

Problem is with the gaming community (in my opinion) its one of the things that have lead to tacky and unfinished quality of products today. Go on a Inibuilds partner stream and ask them about that 350 flying in circles and dropping out of the sky and see what happens.

Most of these chump streamers will promote any old rubbish so long as it gets them views to go in their begging bowls. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

Im well aware of that.  I manage cabin crew for a living with a large amount of them being influencers, they have to ask the company (via myself) what products they can be paid to spam as some can be a conflight of interest or just simply inapproriate.  (You'd be amazed how much sex toy companys are willing to pay young influencers to spam sextoys)   So im all too familar with it, and trust me theres good money to be made from it if you got a lot of followers. 

Problem is with the gaming community (in my opinion) its one of the things that have lead to tacky and unfinished quality of products today. Go on a Inibuilds partner stream and ask them about that 350 flying in circles and dropping out of the sky and see what happens.

Most of these chump streamers will promote any old rubbish so long as it gets them views to go in their begging bowls. 

 

 

Interesting; to know more about this 'underworld' work; often what we see is just the tip of the iceberg.

On 9/23/2025 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Low said:

......feels like trying to wade through treacle at times. I just do not understand why it takes so long to correct issues that should never have been there in the first place.

  • IniBuilds LOWI Innsbruck - misaligned runway centreline markings and displaced threshold arrows that have (apparently) been corrected in MSFS 2024, but no sign of a similar fix for MSFS 2020 :huh:
  • IniBuilds EGHI Southampton - misaligned runway centreline markings and displaced threshold arrows. They seem to think that this has been corrected, but that is certainly not the case in MSFS 2020 :angry:
  • IniBuilds EGLL London Heathrow - misaligned runway centreline markings..........is anyone seeing a pattern here?
  • MK Studios LEGE Girona Costa Brava - misaligned runway centreline markings. An update was released last month, but I am extremely disappointed to see that this issue has not been corrected (even though I reported it months ago).
  • MK Studios EIKY Kerry - very sloppy taxiway line between the apron and the runway.
  • FlyTampa EHAM Amsterdam Schiphol - floating lights on the taxiway Alpha bridge over the motorway.

Add the fact that I have to calibrate my joystick over and over again because the steering of my PMDG planes switches from "airliner" to "shopping trolley" on a regular basis, and you may begin to see how my flight simulation endeavours can quickly change from sublime to ridiculous :dry:

Out of curiosity have you looked at the real airports here before bashing them? - I see no issues with the markings at any of the inibuilds Airports in 2020. In fact the markings at Heathrow are nearly 1:1 perfect with the satellite imagery:

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You'd be surprised that airports in real life are not millimeter perfect, they're painted by people after all. It's only years of older sims that have tricked you into thinking all airports are perfectly flat and all runways are drawn to technical perfection from the ICAO standards 😉

 

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You must be using MSFS 2024. They are definitely not aligned in MSFS 2020 on my PC.

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Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

They are often not aligned in reality...

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

On 9/23/2025 at 8:15 PM, Christopher Low said:

I have had some success over the past 18 months, but it takes a long time. As for IniBuilds, I am starting to wonder if their "MSFS 2024 only" philosophy now also extends to updates of older products that were released for both versions of the simulator. I simply cannot understand why they would (for example) release an update for the MSFS 2024 version of LOWI Innsbruck without also doing the same for the MSFS 2020 version.

3 words, cost, benefit, analysis 

Kevin Firth - AMD 9800X3D; Asus Prime X670E; 64Gb Cas30 6000 DDR5; RTX5090; AutoFPS

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22 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

3 words, cost, benefit, analysis 

That is a fair comment, but then why do they not just say that? At no time have IniBuilds ever stated to me that they will not be correcting those issues in MSFS 2020 products. I sent them a report about EGHI Southampton over twelve months ago, and yet all they have done is (apparently) correct the MSFS 2024 product. That is a kick in the teeth as far as I am concerned.

As for runway centreline markings sometimes not being aligned in reality, they are certainly not misaligned to the extent that I can see in several IniBuilds products. LOWI innsbruck in particular is so obvious that I am astonished that it was not noticed during beta testing. There is no excuse for it, particularly when most of them have ramrod straight runway centreline lighting that can be used as a ruler!!

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

On 9/25/2025 at 1:33 PM, nojwod said:

I wonder how many of the complainers here have done any scenery development.  An update is not just a few clicks and 5 minutes work.  More often than not attempts to fix problems especially minor ones lead to unintended changes and a supposedly quick project takes days.

So, the principle by which I sim of 'suspension of disbelief' which involves looking the other way or ignoring minor defects allows me to enjoy scenery knowing the developer has probably better things to do than correct minor faults.

Or a different perspective could be that if certain developers paid a little more attention to detail during initial production then minor faults wouldn't be introduced in the first place?

Kevin Firth - AMD 9800X3D; Asus Prime X670E; 64Gb Cas30 6000 DDR5; RTX5090; AutoFPS

9 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

You must be using MSFS 2024. They are definitely not aligned in MSFS 2020 on my PC.

Those screenshots are all from 2020. As I mentioned in the post.

7800X3D - RTX 5080 - 64GB DDR5 - Dan C4-SFX

One further comment here, to do with the supposed misaligned centre markings:  A lot of factors can influence how the sim details are portrayed to the user.  Even different video cards, and drivers can display information differently from one user to the next.  Resolution selection and other sim options can also have an effect.  As the various LODs used to display scenery change, often the details change position, mostly only by a fraction but sometimes quite a lot.  I've even seen cases where I've noted a wavy centreline on one approach, reported it, and then next time I flew the same scenery it was dead straight.

So, that's why I say, if you sweat the small stuff then you're making a rod for your own back, and instead of enjoying the sim experience by noting all the incredible reality of the sim, you allow yourself to be affected by details that in the big scheme of things matter very little.

Here endeth the sermon.

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It may not matter to you, but it certainly does to me. As for misalignment of runway centreline markings being a LOD issue, I can assure you that is not the case on my PC. With respect to IniBuilds LOWI Innsbruck, I first noticed the (serious) misalignment when watching a YouTube video, and only discovered later (after purchasing the airport) that it was even worse than I thought. It has (apparently) been corrected in the MSFS 2024 version of the airport (see version 1.0.3 update information via IniManager), so clearly there was a problem to be corrected.

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

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IniBuilds have just released an update for the MSFS 2020 version of LOWI Innsbruck. The notes simply state "adjusted lead in arrow alignment". Right there and then, I wondered about whether they had also corrected the serious misalignment of the runway markings. A quick check revealed that they had not :dry:

At this point, I am starting to wonder what on Earth is going on in their update department. How could they correct the misalignment of the runway 08 displaced threshold arrow, but not correct the more serious issue with the runway centreline markings? :huh: The problem is so obvious that it is almost visible from space!

To their credit, they have successfully aligned the runway 08 displaced threshold arrow, but even that has a twist. Installing the update did not resolve the problem. I had to uninstall the airport, and then reinstall it again for it to work.

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Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

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