Real world range 600 km.

300 km of range with a 10 minute charge.

First production bike with solid state battery.

 

 

I watched a report from CES by a British person who visited the Donut booth as he found the whole thing extremely intriguing.

It's all rather vague and cloudy at the moment as it seems that the so called battery is actually some form of capacitor. Interesting tech though.

 

54 minutes ago, speedyTC said:

the so called battery is actually some form of capacitor. Interesting tech though.

Can it generate 1.21 gigawatts?

No idea. I just watched the vid as I was intrigued by the tech (if feasible it is a HUGE jump forward) but a lot of the guy's analysis of how it all works went over my head, frankly. Too much tech detail for this old brain to deal with. If you are more tech-inclined and savvy I urge you to watch the guy's interpretation of the new battery. He's sceptical.
Toyota have been researching solid state batteries (having acquired a Panasonic subsidiary?) for years and have been testing a SSB vehicle in house for months, if not years, yet cannot commit to SSBs. Which is unfortunate as they do seem to be (if the hype and hoopla is real) a very positive development.

 

Hmm... intriguing indeed. Maybe some form of hybrid tech, Batteries and supercapacitors? If just supercapacitors, then they would have to overcome the rapid discharge of capacitors. 

 

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In June 2023, Maxell Corporation began mass production of large-capacity solid-state batteries. This battery has a long life and heat resistance. Production of 200 mAh cylindrical solid-state batteries was to begin in January 2024. Size: diameter 23 mm/height 27 mm.^[45]

In September 2023, Panasonic unveiled a solid-state battery for drones. It can be charged from 10% to 80% in 3 minutes and lasts for 10,000 to 100,000 cycles at 25 °C. The battery was expected to be available in the late 2020s.^[46]

In October 2023, Toyota announced a partnership with Idemitsu Kosan to produce solid-state batteries for their electric vehicles starting in 2028.^[47]

In October 2023 Factorial Energy opened a battery manufacturing facility in Methuen, Massachusetts, and began shipping 100 Ah A-samples to automotive partners totaling over 1,000 A-sample cells to Mercedes-Benz. Its technology uses a lithium-metal anode, quasi-solid electrolyte and high-capacity cathode. Its energy density is 391 Wh/kg.^[48]

In November 2023, Guangzhou Automobile Group announced that it would adopt solid-state batteries in 2026. The company also revealed that its battery has achieved 400 Wh/kg. Mass production was scheduled to begin in 2025.^[49]

On December 28, 2023, Hyundai published its patent for an "all-solid-state battery system provided with pressurizing device". The cell is a solid-state battery that maintains constant pressure regardless of charging and discharging rates. The system includes an iso-temperature element.^[50]

In January 2024, Volkswagen announced that test results of a prototype solid-state battery retained 95% of its capacity after 1000 charges (equivalent to driving 500,000 km). It also passed other performance tests.^[51]

In April 2024, Factorial signed a memorandum of understanding with LG Chem. In June it sent its first 106 Ah B-samples to Mercedes-Benz for testing.^[48]

In August 2025, ION Storage Systems announces "Cornerstone" Cells with sampling of cells to consumer electronics companies. ION Storage Systems cells are unique as they do not require compression.^[52]

In November 2025, Quintus Technologies unveiled pilot-scale warm isostatic presses for all-solid-state battery production.^[53]

 

 

 

 

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Sounds promising.  Anything to reduce batteries in landfills.

Sounds like vaporware. If I build a revolutionary new battery technology, I'm not going to put it into a motorbike - there are other applications that will literally give you tens of billions of dollars from existing players.

It's being discussed here: https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/can-renewables-replace-fossil-and-nuclear-fuels.1248863/page-236 maybe in 237.

Cheers

I'm certainly hoping to see a revolutionary battery be developed that finally makes EVs and renewable energy storage more viable and safe.

However, one should keep in mind that a lot of these companies engage in marketing hype in order to get more investor money.  Moreover, many of them wouldn't even be in business if not for govt. subsidies.

Caveat Emptor...

Dave

8 hours ago, dave2013 said:

and safe

 

Did you mean fires? Hybrids top the list followed by ICE, both by miles compared to batteries. Tricky to extinguish, though.

I'm not sure what to make of this bike companies claims, to be honest, I guess time will tell. 

 

Capacitors, instead of batteries, have been used for many years in Seiko Kinetic series watches.

And Doc Brown (left) used a large capacitor in the  Delorean DMC-12. Marty McFly on the right.

 

 

EV users complaining about losing range parked in sub zero temperatures, It appears you can lose 10-20% according to ADAC. And if you use the heater even more.

8 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

EV users complaining about losing range parked in sub zero temperatures, It appears you can lose 10-20% according to ADAC. And if you use the heater even more.

 

10 to 20% loss of range is usually ICE engines. EV's lose a bit more than that. Usually 20% to 40% in a BEV. For a BEV its about 20% at freezing, -7C about 30% and at extreme cold, like -20C, more like 40%. there are ways to help mitigate it in a BEV, though and improve that loss. 

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

 

10 to 20% loss of range is usually ICE engines. EV's lose a bit more than that. Usually 20% to 40% in a BEV. For a BEV its about 20% at freezing, -7C about 30% and at extreme cold, like -20C, more like 40%. there are ways to help mitigate it in a BEV, though and improve that loss. 

If EVs are so great, then why is the EV industry floundering lately due to poor sales?  The truth is that most people don't want them, and nobody wants to sit around for an hour or more at a charging station - if they can find one that's unoccupied, that is.  Anyway, Europe will soon be flooded with cheap Chinese EVs, so everybody can have one.  Furthermore, with electricity prices soon to be at 50C per Kw/hour in much of Europe, they won't be as cost-effective as they were just a few years ago. 

I'm just curious where all the electricity to charge these things will come from?  Electricity demand is already skyrocketing due to data centers and AI, so how is all this new electricity for EVs going to be produced?  And don't say that everyone can put solar panels on their roof because most people in the world don't have their own houses or roofs.

Just trying to be practical here.

Dave