Because Windows 12 won't require TPM?

21 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I need to upgrade my computer MB to get one.

 

1 hour ago, VeryBumpy said:

Same. My motherboard is not win11 compatible, it does not have this needed chip. 

Just Google "how to bypass win11 tpm requirement"

Actually I've wanted a TPM for years and it is time to upgrade the 5000x after all.

Thing is, the WIN 11 AI stuff scares me.

Also,  now I like WIN 10 more - no OS updates with security updates only.

dd

Edited January 22Jan 22 by Sky_Pilot071

I hope those bypassing TPM aren't storing data on unencrypted drives.

If you upgrade to 11 and create and associate your MS Account to your PC, you are basically providing MS with all of your data.  If you upgrade I suggest that you do that with only a local account.  MS makes it difficult to do that with Home but it can be done.  It's easier with Pro.  If what I've read is true 11 is being dropped for Linux by both Governments and large institutions.  It's claimed that windows revenue has dropped enough to impact MS' bottom line. 

I upgraded to W11 ages ago and don't recall any issues.  W11 does handle HDR better than W10 from what I recall.  Performance was the same in both versions.

I wonder how far away W12 is - I've read that there will be a W12 and there won't be in different places.  W10 is pretty obselete now that support has ended and is a potential security risk unless you pay for it.

I do have a couple of old laptops that are too old for the W11 hardware requirements, but they don't really get much use except for streaming films and football matches (one is attached to the lounge TV soley for this purpose - so these will remain on W10 as long as I can.

33 minutes ago, cianpars said:

W10 is pretty obselete now that support has ended and is a potential security risk unless you pay for it.

Just enroll in free security updates.  No muss no fuss.  Also WIN 10 runs MSFS perfectly fine on my MSFS dedicated machine.  Just a glorified console really.

dd

 

2 hours ago, Sabre57 said:

If you upgrade to 11 and create and associate your MS Account to your PC, you are basically providing MS with all of your data.  If you upgrade I suggest that you do that with only a local account.  MS makes it difficult to do that with Home but it can be done.  It's easier with Pro.  If what I've read is true 11 is being dropped for Linux by both Governments and large institutions.  It's claimed that windows revenue has dropped enough to impact MS' bottom line. 

Nothing that you've read is true.

Edit: Except that it is easier to create a local account with Pro 🙂

Edited January 22Jan 22 by flyingscampi

My take on updating is since nothing requires an update I'll wait until nVidia stops WIN 10 driver updates or..

dd

Edited January 22Jan 22 by Sky_Pilot071

  3 hours ago, Sabre57 said:

If you upgrade to 11 and create and associate your MS Account to your PC, you are basically providing MS with all of your data.  If you upgrade I suggest that you do that with only a local account.  MS makes it difficult to do that with Home but it can be done.  It's easier with Pro.  If what I've read is true 11 is being dropped for Linux by both Governments and large institutions.  It's claimed that windows revenue has dropped enough to impact MS' bottom line. 

Nothing that you've read is true.

Edit: Except that it is easier to create a local account with Pro 🙂

Edited 57 minutes ago by flyingscampi

 

Two examples with some overlap between them:

https://www.2-data.com/knowledge-hub/a-search-for-digital-sovereignty-eu-governments-shift-from-microsoft-to-linux-libreoffice

https://lowtechlinux.com/2025/07/07/governments-around-the-world-are-switching-to-linux/

Edited January 22Jan 22 by Sabre57

12 minutes ago, Sabre57 said:

Edit: Except that it is easier to create a local account with Pro 🙂

My work PC and Sim PC are both Windows 11 Home. Networking between the two with Win10 was easy (both local accounts). After the upgrade to Win11, trying to get the two to talk to each other was a total PITA. All sorts of hacks, fixes ... you name it ... needed to make it work reliably. Some days it worked, some days not. Finally sorted it by *manually* adding entries in the Credentials Manager on both PCs.

Yep, a recent W11 update decided that as the old SMB protocol was now considered insecure and obsolete MS would no longer support it in W11. Which means my pair of NAS boxes no longer provide backup support as W11 no longer recognises them. Not quite sure how removing the NAS access for my PC makes it more secure, but then I'm just a simple user, not like the genius types coding for MS.

I'm reminded of the bit in Hitchhiker's Guide about the space arks that were fired off from Earth to populate the universe. FIrst one to be sent included folk like all the lawyers, telephone hygienists and similar. Funnily enough, once that one was launched and they'd all gone there wasn't any need felt for anybody else to leave. I'd add MS (and other) coders to that manifest.

On 1/22/2026 at 4:42 PM, andy1252 said:

 Which means my pair of NAS boxes no longer provide backup support as W11 no longer recognizes them. 

Well that stinks. Forced hardware/software sunsetting is another reason updating isn't always the best idea for everyone.