January 28Jan 28 Though not unexpected, UPS announced it has permanently retired all of it's remaining MD-11F freighters as of last month. I've a number of friends that flew them at FedEx, and they all believe the same news will be coming from them as well. The last of the big tri-jets, and the end of an era. https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/ups-md11-freighter-retirement Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
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January 28Jan 28 UPS orders 18, 767's to replace MD11 fleet. Ironic at the same time they laid off 30000 people.
January 28Jan 28 Shame, the aircraft got a bad reputation but most of the major incidents were pilot error or maintenance error: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
January 28Jan 28 These 3-engined aircraft were on their way out anyway within the next 10 years or so as they are not as fuel efficient as 2-engined planes. Dave Simulator: P3Dv6.1 System Specs: Intel i7 13700K CPU, MSI Mag Z790 Tomahawk Motherboard, 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Video Card, 3x 1TB Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2280 SSDs, Windows 11 Home OS My website for P3D stuff: https://sites.google.com/view/thep3dfiles/home
January 28Jan 28 Commercial Member Beautiful death traps. 5% (11 of 200) of airframes lost - that's a dire record. Edited January 28Jan 28 by FPVSteve Developer of Self-Loading Cargo - The Cabin Crew and Passenger Simulation Addon for MSFS, X-Plane, P3D and FSX
January 28Jan 28 5 hours ago, FPVSteve said: that's a dire record. Read how the 11 airframes were lost ... maintenance or pilot error. 737 has 234 airframe losses out of 12,000 about 2%. BUT, Boeing have far more passenger/crew deaths from actual design flaws (Lion Air 2018 MCAS flaw, Ethiopian 2019 MCAS flaw, United 585 1990's rudder system flaw, USAir 427 rudder system flaw, Eastwind 517 rudder system flaw). So if you actually dig into the numbers the 737 has been more of a death trap as a result of design flaws. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
January 28Jan 28 Commercial Member 21 minutes ago, SayAgain said: Read how the 11 airframes were lost ... maintenance or pilot error. 737 has 234 airframe losses out of 12,000 about 2%. BUT, Boeing have far more passenger/crew deaths from actual design flaws (Lion Air 2018 MCAS flaw, Ethiopian 2019 MCAS flaw, United 585 1990's rudder system flaw, USAir 427 rudder system flaw, Eastwind 517 rudder system flaw). So if you actually dig into the numbers the 737 has been more of a death trap as a result of design flaws. Well you can skew the numbers how you like, but it's just a fact that the MD-11 is widely renowned as having a poor safety record and can be a handful to land. The MD-11 fleet has about 10 million hours across it compared to ~290 million hours logged by 737s - I would imagine if the MD-11 flew as much as the 737 there would be a heck of a lot more to talk about. Developer of Self-Loading Cargo - The Cabin Crew and Passenger Simulation Addon for MSFS, X-Plane, P3D and FSX
January 29Jan 29 Author 5 hours ago, FPVSteve said: Beautiful death traps. 5% (11 of 200) of airframes lost - that's a dire record. I'd be more interested in the number of mishaps per 100,000 flying hours. I doubt that tells a "dire" story when doing an apples-to-apples comparison. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 29Jan 29 59 minutes ago, FPVSteve said: Well you can skew the numbers how you like Not skewing anything, just reporting the facts. Agree, it seems that several of those reported MD-11 incidents are from pilots not proficient at high crosswind landings ... but that's pilot error, not a death trap. Not projecting as I there isn't sufficient data to do so ... like you said, relatively small number of aircraft built to project (imagine) from. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
January 29Jan 29 It's unfortunate that the UPS md-11s didn't get a proper send off. I doubt the FedEx fleet will be far behind now.
January 29Jan 29 This goes right in accordance with the US Air Force retiring the KC-10 based on the DC-10 airframe. Now replaced with the KC-46 Pegasus based on the Boeing 767 airframe. I think the decision was based more on economics rather than air worthiness. I used to work right across the street from McGuire Air Force base in New Jersey. Got to watch the KC-10s take off and land regularly. Also, C-17s were fairly common along with an occasional C-5. It was a thrill watching these giant birds in action. Tom MAKA = Make America Kind Again
January 30Jan 30 Flight crew errors and poor maintenance practices seem to be the most common cause of mishaps, can't blame the aircraft's design nor manufacturer for those things. My computer: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC featuring an Intel 10700F CPU, EVGA CLC-240 AIO cooler (dead fans replaced with Noctua fans), Asus Tuf Gaming B460M Plus motherboard, 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, EVGA RTX3070 FTW3 video card, dead EVGA 750 watt power supply replaced with Antec 900 watt PSU.
January 30Jan 30 1 hour ago, stans said: Flight crew errors and poor maintenance practices seem to be the most common cause of mishaps, can't blame the aircraft's design nor manufacturer for those things. But that would be the same across all Models. Seems more prevalent with MD10/11.
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