A LOT cheaper than 2 or 3 5090’s 🙂 

 

Edited March 19Mar 19 by SayAgain

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Right now XP12 looks like a cartoon during day flight,

No it doesnt, its fine, best its ever being. 

6 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

No it doesnt, its fine, best its ever being. 

Best its ever been shows just how far behind L/R has fallen! We'll see what their second gen scenery has to offer, as well as what SimHaven Pro brings to the table.

Edited March 19Mar 19 by Mike_CFII_MEL

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

Why would they want to? Their M series chips are 100% in-house and work for them and their market.

I have an M4 Max, fully maxed out, and a windows pc with a 4060 Super. I do my texture bakes on the Mac now, mostly, but on Windows, when I want some speed, the speed of the bakes completely obliterates the Mac.  It’s not even a comparison. 

Oh my, and I wanted to change to a Mac Studio, not that I want to hijack the thread, we can carry on with the original thread.

1 hour ago, SayAgain said:

This is entirely a money grab from the Trillion dollar man

Money grab... hahahaha. This is an ego grab at most. As far as revenue is concerned, we are the flecks of salt on a deer's lip. Enterprise market is the full salt lick. It could also be a shiny front facing ad for underlying enterprise tech (hard or software or both). I'll go with some of both (ego+ad).

In other words, your rants fall on deaf ears in terms of those who actually matter in these funding decisions. Unless one of the upcoming china gpu fabs cares to listen of course. Not only regarding hardware status (not sure why you're adding power efficiency to the list but I won't mind that one at all) but algorithm as well.

These neural network algorithms are the future. It's not a maybe. It's faster and more efficient to run a few big matrix multiplications on tensor cores than it is to march through a branchy BVH on the GPU compute waves for a given frame draw. DLSS 5 is only the first cut at this. This (sometimes ugly) 2d method is the first baby step in that direction.

Artists and 3d modelers will still be necessary to make the training sets, but light propagation is well known behavior at this point. Perfect for a neural network of some form.

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Best its ever been shows just how far behind L/R has fallen! W

There is always that other lovely sim.

31 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

There is always that other lovely sim.

hopefully.

2 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Best its ever been shows just how far behind L/R has fallen! We'll see what their second gen scenery has to offer, as well as what SimHaven Pro brings to the table.

I am honestly curious why you keep using a platform that you despise so much? Night lighting, graphics, multi-monitor support, all I hear from you is how bad it is?

There are many options out there these days and the big guy in the room is known to have way superior graphics (not debated by many, including me) - so would this not be the obvious choice for you? It would certainly make reading these forums more pleasant 😆

44 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

Money grab... hahahaha. This is an ego grab at most. As far as revenue is concerned, we are the flecks of salt on a deer's lip. Enterprise market is the full salt lick.

haha … but not when you really look at the numbers … GPUs for “Gaming” is around 11% of total revenue … but those same GPUs (AI/HPC) make up 87% … the core architecture crosses both.  It’s just a matter of selling more GPUs, use case isn’t relevant from the standpoint of sales and the AI “fusion” demonstration was demonstration of exactly that … one architecture.

50 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

These neural network algorithms are the future. It's

Are in what sense?  Neural networks are limited on many fronts … power being one of them, hence my reference and why nVidia was using two 5090s to demonstrate.  Other limits to neural networks are computational costs and proprietary decision making logic (no thanks), fails outside of training data (hence the soccer ball issue and weird soccer player shirt), and requires considerable trial-and-error hyper parameter turning, and often no way to determine exactly why a neural network came up with it’s result.

I’d much rather go down a truly mathematical based bounding volume hierarchy than be at the mercy of some proprietary decision making logic.  A well constructed BVH especially when compacted should be very efficient for collision detection and ray tracing. BVH is much faster for spatial lookup/query.

BVH is deterministic (precise and exact).

Neural Networks are probabilistic (proprietary and less accurate).

I hope they are NOT the future because it would be a very subjective future bound by probability rather than accuracy … I’m not a gambler.

2 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Best its ever been shows just how far behind L/R has fallen!

Not that far behind, and definitely ahead in performance … are you not using 12.x Betas?  I’m not kidding when I say every single graphics setting at their max value (4K res) along with a slew of add-ons and still getting rock solid 60 FPS.

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

There is always that other lovely sim.

One of the reasons I went through a ton of grief getting my flight deck hardware working with both XP12 and the other sim. I use the other sim for my day flights and XP12 for my night flights. I prefer my night lighting edits with reshade in xp12 over both base platforms night lighting offerings.

XP12 with all those lovely looking airports (compared to the other platform) ever gets close to the google maps type of view, without having to jump through hoops via external addons or using payware software that operates in the grey area, I'll use XP all the time and remove the other platform. But until XP12 catches up to the view of the other platform during day flight, I'll keep using both.

55 minutes ago, Litjan said:

I am honestly curious why you keep using a platform that you despise so much? Night lighting, graphics, multi-monitor support, all I hear from you is how bad it is?

There are many options out there these days and the big guy in the room is known to have way superior graphics (not debated by many, including me) - so would this not be the obvious choice for you? It would certainly make reading these forums more pleasant 😆

Not that you watch any of my videos but there is plenty that I say about X-Plane that is very positive!!! Matter of fact I have said on more than one occasion, "if XP12 had the other day time google maps, the other program would be found wanting! Would lose a ton of its base due to the simple fact one doesn't have to purchase airport after airport to make the sim look good on the ground.

I've also said that the other base platform has airports that look like they are from the 1990s. I also questioned what Asobo brough to the flight sim table other than simconnect! If you take out google maps that was created by another company, all they did was make a connection for use in 2020/2024, what else did they bring? Better water, clouds, few aircraft. Not much for being gone for so long!

I criticize both, and I praise both when warranted.

1 hour ago, SayAgain said:

definitely ahead in performance

Not even close to the other platform performance wise! I can run SEVEN monitor off of one computer in both other platforms and get the same performance I get using one monitor in XP12!

Could only imagine what would happen to performance if L/R removed the 3D distance ring that's in place right now. You can thank some of that performance on lit tiles and not 3D graphics.

 

Edited March 19Mar 19 by Mike_CFII_MEL

Kinda agree with Jay and Steve … JH is just out of touch with the real world.