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PMDG 777 for MSFS 2024 fleet receives significant update.

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  • JRBarrett
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    Just because MSFS 2024 is a "new" sim, that does not mean that developers can (or should) re-write every bit of code "from the ground up". The data structures and classes that define the internal oper

  • ATRguy
    ATRguy

    Nobody uses P3D anymore, and according to PMDG, nobody is buying their 2020 addons, so they stopped developing for it.     ini doesn’t build anything for 2020 anymore, the 350 was the last one,

  • UrgentSiesta
    UrgentSiesta

    Question: are you somehow privy to how much “copy & paste” code they’re using to make that assertion…? do you feel the same way about iFly…? If not, then why…? How about Leonardo’s paid

 

2 hours ago, zachlog said:

This URL is coming-up as "Invalid Page....".

Yup Mathijs deleted it by accident

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Biggest thing is that Mathis said MSFS2020 is commercially dead.

8 hours ago, MikeH99 said:

Biggest thing is that Mathis said MSFS2020 is commercially dead.

They’ve been saying that for a while.   It’s the reason they don’t make anything new for 2020 anymore. 

11 hours ago, ATRguy said:

They’ve been saying that for a while.   It’s the reason they don’t make anything new for 2020 anymore. 

People keep asking about 2020 all the time.

8 minutes ago, MikeH99 said:

People keep asking about 2020 all the time.

As a percentage of customers, it’s obviously a vanishingly small group. Kinda like Prepar3D…

I just flying the 300ER with the new update it is soooooo much smoother it hand flies really nice now the plane feels like it's FBW.

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If only they could get rid of the "bounce" that happens with autopilot on when the aircraft tries to make small adjustments in pitch.

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On 4/2/2026 at 9:44 PM, MikeH99 said:

Biggest thing is that Mathis said MSFS2020 is commercially dead.

commercially dead is one thing, there are still existing customers who still prefer fs20 over fs24 that paid full price for fs20 737 and 777.  pmdg said sound and other improvements were forthcoming last year but no more?   and the argument that it's a super burden to support fs20 and fs24 at the same time is bs, others like fenix and tfdi are able to do it and the gauge code base not a rewrite. 

pmdg is simply fixated on future cashflow with a quasi-subscription business model.  doesn't care about fs20 customers who already paid them.  they talk about the '7xx product line' but in reality it's the fs24 product line.

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11 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

If only they could get rid of the "bounce" that happens with autopilot on when the aircraft tries to make small adjustments in pitch.

I got rid of that (I've gotten rid of it on all MSFS aircraft, other than Marketplace-encrypted planes).

If you're willing to make a small mod, go to the aircraft's systems.cfg file and scroll down to the [AUTOPILOT] section.

Anywhere within that section, place these 2 entries:-

pitch_pid_reset_mode=2
roll_pid_reset_mode=2

They reconfigure just the AP engagement logic to engage at the exact servo positions, from when the AP was engaged.

Developers 'in the know' like A2A, Black Square, etc include these 2 commands in every release. But it seems some devs still don't know about this.  It was released by MS in about 2023 as part of a SU.

It provides butter-smooth AP engagements in any aircraft, other than those that use 100% custom AP functionality (eg. Fenix). PMDG aircraft certainly use the core AP code, set up in a highly customized way but still using the core function.

NB. Aircraft that use the default G1000 w/GFC700 do not require this, as it's hard-coded into the GFC700.

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16 minutes ago, kdfw__ said:

there are still existing customers who still prefer fs20 over fs24

They should get their heads out of the past. 2024 is superior to 2020 in every way.

 

23 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

 

They should get their heads out of the past. 2024 is superior to 2020 in every way.

 

depends on what you think is important, so not really. 

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55 minutes ago, kdfw__ said:

the argument that it's a super burden to support fs20 and fs24 at the same time is bs

It's not.

Supporting both platforms means effectively making MSFS2020 aircraft, that then 'happen to work' in MSFS2024. A native MSFS2024 aircraft will not work in MSFS2020.  So that means, for a developer to make an aircraft that works in both, they have to create one where the 2024 version doesn't use the modular system (which offers amazing functional and performance benefits), doesn't fully utilize external click spots, and doesn't utilize a whole other raft of features.

Co-developement for 2020 and 2024 is absolutely something that holds back innovation and quality for the current iteration of this amazing sim.

I say it genuinely not to upset or inflame anyone, but for very pragmatic reasons, I hope every single dev stops pandering to the old 2020 platform as urgently as possible and that 2020's service life is ended.  That would mean devs would be fully able to utilize the features that only 2024 offers, for their products.

This insistance by some over-cautious, ultra-conservative (small 'c') simmers to stick with a 6 year old platform is relatively unprecendented.   We are 18 months into 2024's life.   Thinking about FSX, I definitely don't recall simmers in 2009, demanding propducts that were still comptaible with FS2004.

I can't think of a single logical reason to still be using MSFS2020.  

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Bill 😎
FS2024 • Currently in 'GA mode' : A2A Comanche 2024 & Aerostar • Black Square C208, Bonanzas, Barons, TBM850, Dukes • COWS DA40 & DA42 • FSW Legacy, C24R Sierra & C414 • Echo Falco F8L • FFX HJET, Visionjet and P180 2024 • Got Friends A32 Vixxen • FSReborn Sirius TL3000, Sting S4 and Piper M500 • Flyboy Rans S6S • Skyward DA50RG • SWS Zenith CH701, RV-8, RV-10, RV-14, PC12 • Milviz C310R • Air Foil Labs Bristell B23 
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