February 11, 201610 yr Commercial Member Hi Guys, With all the current noise and banter going around about the different ATC programs that are available, it seem that 'mines longer than yours' and all that rubbish has been getting around. So I thought, OK let see what is what and try and establish who's is really longer than someones else!!! So this challenge will be in a few parts and all I ask is to be honest about what you feedback in this thread. So, still up for it? OK here is part one. The criteria is this one simple question: Does your ATC program of choice get you from A > B with 'full' ATC coverage. Simple enough, that's it. Here's the rub though: 1.Do not post about the voices, things like 'they are robotic, sounds like two wav file badly put together', you know the kind of stuff I mean, right! 2. DO not post that god forbid, you had to use the mouse or even the keyboard, or had to go from full-screen to window mode, not bothered 3. No bothered about wrong voices @i'm flying in USA and hear a Spanish controller, not interested. 4. Any other issues, not interested in. Just answer the criteria question The only routes you can use are these: 1. LFML > LEPA 2. EDDM > LOWI 3. XXXX > KABQ (anywhere to KABQ) 4. WMKK >WSSS Fly as many as you want and just post here your results. Did it get you there, if not what went wrong and why, was it Pilot error or ATC. Also say what went well and why it went well. Happy flying for the week-end I'll let this run for a few weeks to see how it goes Clive Joy
February 11, 201610 yr This could be interesting. Thanks, Greg Greg Morin Commercial ASMEL Instrument CFI Beta Tester i Blue Yonder, Flightbeam and Milviz
February 11, 201610 yr Author Commercial Member It could, but its about people being open and honest, simple criteria I think for the first challenge. Clive Joy
February 11, 201610 yr IFR only, or VFR allowed as well? Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
February 11, 201610 yr Great idea! I will do it this weekend. For me this will be a good benchmark, so I can see if I may switch sometime to another ATC prog. At this time I have just one. Klaus Schmitzer i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020
February 11, 201610 yr Author Commercial Member Fly what ever you want, try IFR and VFR, but remember the criteria for these set of flights :smile: Klaus, It will be and that's the point an open and honest feedback of the criteria, that's all is expected Have fun Clive Joy
February 11, 201610 yr Great idea. Thanks. Nick Hatchel "Sometimes, flying feels too godlike to be attained by man. Sometimes, the world from above seems too beautiful, too wonderful, too distant for human eyes to see …" Charles A. Lindbergh, 1953 System: Custom Watercooled--Intel i7-8700k OC: 5.0 Ghz--Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7--EVGA GTX 1080ti Founders Edition--16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4--240GB SSD--460GB SSD--1TB WD Blue HDD--Windows 10--55" Sony XBR55900E TV--GoFlight VantEdge Yoke--MFG Crosswind Pedals--FSXThrottle Quattro Throttle Quadrant--Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS--TrackIR 5--VRInsight MCPii Boeing
February 11, 201610 yr Administrators OK, I did the flight from Marseilles to Palma using default ATC. Full IFR flight Point A to point B with no hitches or giddyups. Smooth as butter. Charlie AronAVSIM Board of Directors-ADMIN/Moderator-RegistrarJust going to run a Chromebook and not upgrade to a Windows computer. Too many problems with the new Sims! 😱Trying to keep peace and harmony and the will of Landru on the site seems to be a full time job!
February 11, 201610 yr Author Commercial Member Good One, so the default ATC gets you from A>B, one so far Clive Joy
February 12, 201610 yr I'm game, will be using PROATC-X! Thanks Tom My Youtube Videos! http://www.youtube.com/user/tf51d
February 12, 201610 yr Author Commercial Member Hi Tom Cool, again keep the criteria in mind and be honest about how it goes. Clive Joy
February 12, 201610 yr Just finished first flight from LFML to LEPA and had complete ATC gate to gate as well as AI interaction throughout with PROATC-X. Left from gate B8 and was assigned the MAME4N departure for runway 31R. and the LORE2M arrival for runway 6L. (ILS) with the ADX transition. Except for the second descent which was a little late, though still time to catch up, the rest of the descent path was on glide slope, and ATC observed and assigned all way point altitude constraints as well for both departure and arrival procedures. Thanks Tom My Youtube Videos! http://www.youtube.com/user/tf51d
February 12, 201610 yr Good One, so the default ATC gets you from A>B, one so far Are we allowed to divert to an alternate once we arrive at B? Super VC10 into LOWI with PF3 at a cinema near you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298UDyNmgUA
February 12, 201610 yr Author Commercial Member Are we allowed to divert to an alternate once we arrive at B? Not in Part 1, but you have already arrived at B. So how would you divert when you have arrived at B already :smile: Once you have flown 1 or more of the route, post what went well and why also what didn't go well and why. Just finished first flight from LFML to LEPA and had complete ATC gate to gate as well as AI interaction throughout with PROATC-X. Left from gate B8 and was assigned the MAME4N departure for runway 31R. and the LORE2M arrival for runway 6L. (ILS) with the ADX transition. Except for the second descent which was a little late, though still time to catch up, the rest of the descent path was on glide slope, and ATC observed and assigned all way point altitude constraints as well for both departure and arrival procedures. Good PIREP there Tom, that what is needed. Some positives also somethings didn't go as expected Well done Clive Joy
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