80% of the cases) on my MacPro. I don't have annoying reminders living in a SysTray like I do in XP, etc. etc. >>I don't have or need virus protection on my windows systems either (except for the 2 VM OS installs that connect to the company network, they are required to run AV software) and I've never been hit by a virus either (in over 20 years) except when someone else infected a machine I was using with a floppy they brought from home (not my machine, just one I used). I also haven't seen any popup windows (except when I allowed them) since I've installed IE7 (or the popup blocker addon for IE6). Not sure what annoying reminders you are talking about, so won't comment on that :->And Mac OSX does have the occasional security and bug problem, otherwise they wouldn't have those update downloads (you know, the ones just like WinXP has :-> ) - not to mention that Safari sucks as far as a compatible browser goes (if you haven't installed another browser yet, you really should), there are several sites my folks can't get to unless they use FireFox.And then there's the 20% to 40% premium you pay on the hardware, not to mention the cost of the OS (and every one of the upgrades, what is that roughly $100 per upgrade with around 5 of those since WinXP was released) - oh yea, Apples really in it to be altruistic to their user base :->But hey, its a free world, use what you like :->

><<>I don't need or have virus protection on my MacPro. I also>don't get popups (IE 7 popup blockers just doesn't work in 80%>of the cases) on my MacPro. I don't have annoying reminders>living in a SysTray like I do in XP, etc. etc. >>>>>I don't have or need virus protection on my windows systems>either (except for the 2 VM OS installs that connect to the>company network, they are required to run AV software) and>I've never been hit by a virus either (in over 20 years)>except when someone else infected a machine I was using with a>floppy they brought from home (not my machine, just one I>used). I also haven't seen any popup windows (except when I>allowed them) since I've installed IE7 (or the popup blocker>addon for IE6). Not sure what annoying reminders you are>talking about, so won't comment on that :->>>And Mac OSX does have the occasional security and bug problem,>otherwise they wouldn't have those update downloads (you know,>the ones just like WinXP has :-> ) - not to mention that>Safari sucks as far as a compatible browser goes (if you>haven't installed another browser yet, you really should),>there are several sites my folks can't get to unless they use>FireFox.>>And then there's the 20% to 40% premium you pay on the>hardware, not to mention the cost of the OS (and every one of>the upgrades, what is that roughly $100 per upgrade with>around 5 of those since WinXP was released) - oh yea, Apples>really in it to be altruistic to their user base :->>>But hey, its a free world, use what you like :->>>I ought to make an educated decision. Anyone else??dito

I really doubt that "everyone will be climbing aboard the Vista train" because of a DX10 patch for FSX. Trying to speak for everyone is usually a quite futile effort. It's kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing. It annoys the pig and wastes your time.Doug

>Yes it runs FSX just fine using Boot Camp -- you're limited>to using ATI X1900XT as the best GPU for it -- you can order a>MacPro with a X1900XT pre-installed -- if you're into tweaking>you can get an ATI X1950XTX or nVidia's 8800GTX to work. Boot>camp is just like any dual boot PC -- you're running Windows>XP or Vista with NO emulation at full speed with all the same>limitations that Windows provides.>>Be warned: if you run Windows this way you'll be subject to>all the same security holes cause OSX ain't there to protect>you.>>If you want to run Windows from within OSX, then you will need>Parallels or some other emulation software (the new Leopard>due in April will have this ability built it) -- this works>well for MS Office apps and traditional 2D apps, but doesn't>work well for gaming.>>So yes, you have the choice in one complete package. I do a>lot of development work from a single MacPro for both *nix/OSX>and WinXP/Vista. Being able to move between OS's is very>important for my work and it also provides one with a real>perspective of the two major OS camps.>>rob. Just wish Steve Jobs would sell his OS and not make you purchase overpriced hardware to do so.

Tim,Is it a free world - since when? Let me send you my property tax bill ;)Yes, OSX does have occassional security updates and bugs -- I think the key word is "occasional" not "frequent" as what you find in Microsofts's OS.I haven't had any issues with Safari, but I've had plenty of issues with IE7 not working any many sites. IE6 has been good but a lot weaker in popup blocking. The better security sides with OSX -- nothing can install on OSX without me knowing about it and prompting my user account for a password -- and this isn't a feature I can turn OFF like you can in XP/Vista (and this is how much of the malware gets in). How did this turn into a browser experience?Not going to debate hardware premium because that really is not an issue and even less since the Intel Mac's. This topic has been debated over and over and the end result is the most similar comparision comes out as the MacPro being $500-800 cheaper. Since Intel Mac allow you to use the same hardware as "standard PCs" the price you pay would be the same. If you're into custom selection of motherboards, then yeah, you're stuck -- this is NOT the majority of computer users. Your graphics card options are now pretty wide open also.Apple would love to be in Microsoft's position - think I stated that already -- like I said, competition is the key.Rob.

><<>I don't need or have virus protection on my MacPro. I also>don't get popups (IE 7 popup blockers just doesn't work in 80%>of the cases) on my MacPro. I don't have annoying reminders>living in a SysTray like I do in XP, etc. etc. >>>>>I don't have or need virus protection on my windows systems>either (except for the 2 VM OS installs that connect to the>company network, they are required to run AV software) and>I've never been hit by a virus either (in over 20 years)>except when someone else infected a machine I was using with a>floppy they brought from home (not my machine, just one I>used). I also haven't seen any popup windows (except when I>allowed them) since I've installed IE7 (or the popup blocker>addon for IE6). Not sure what annoying reminders you are>talking about, so won't comment on that :->>>And Mac OSX does have the occasional security and bug problem,>otherwise they wouldn't have those update downloads (you know,>the ones just like WinXP has :-> ) - not to mention that>Safari sucks as far as a compatible browser goes (if you>haven't installed another browser yet, you really should),>there are several sites my folks can't get to unless they use>FireFox.>>And then there's the 20% to 40% premium you pay on the>hardware, not to mention the cost of the OS (and every one of>the upgrades, what is that roughly $100 per upgrade with>around 5 of those since WinXP was released) - oh yea, Apples>really in it to be altruistic to their user base :->>>But hey, its a free world, use what you like :->>>Mac Has Come to The Rescue!dito

>Yes it runs FSX just fine using Boot Camp -- you're limited>to using ATI X1900XT as the best GPU for it -- you can order a>MacPro with a X1900XT pre-installed -- if you're into tweaking>you can get an ATI X1950XTX or nVidia's 8800GTX to work. Boot>camp is just like any dual boot PC -- you're running Windows>XP or Vista with NO emulation at full speed with all the same>limitations that Windows provides.>>Be warned: if you run Windows this way you'll be subject to>all the same security holes cause OSX ain't there to protect>you.>>If you want to run Windows from within OSX, then you will need>Parallels or some other emulation software (the new Leopard>due in April will have this ability built it) -- this works>well for MS Office apps and traditional 2D apps, but doesn't>work well for gaming.>>So yes, you have the choice in one complete package. I do a>lot of development work from a single MacPro for both *nix/OSX>and WinXP/Vista. Being able to move between OS's is very>important for my work and it also provides one with a real>perspective of the two major OS camps.>>rob. I think that Apple might have a huge share of the market if they had not forced folks to buy what is basically proprietary hardware all these years. Never could understand why they have never coded there OS to work on Intel (till now) and AMD. The only reason I can think of (conspiracy theory :)) is that in 1997 MS invested $ 150,000,000 in Apple. Go figure. Craig

Apple would love to be in Microsoft's position - think I stated that already -- like I said, competition is the key. If Apple wanted to be in Micrsoft's position as far as an OS then they could be if they wanted to be. And Microsoft would love to be in Apples position as far as Itunes and iPod. As I said in another post that back in '97 when Microsoft invested $ 150.000,000 in Apple I became kind of cynical with regard to the hope of any competition. Craig

Agree. But you have to take into account that hardware configurations back then were considerably more worky and difficult to the end user than it is today. Times have changed considerably just as the cost to own a computer has dropped significantly espeically if you take into account inflation overall increase in the standard of living and people's salaries.Maybe some of you folks don't recall the days of setting jumpers on graphics cards and serial port cards and network cards to select the correct IRQ and base address so they didn't conflict with other IRQs in your system. Apple controlled this aspect of configuration because they didn't want to expose this to their customers. And if you look around today how many of you would be willing to do that on their PC?But Microsoft was cheap and if you worked at it, you could get it to work with various configurations/hardware. The key, cheap and configurable -- user's would live with the worky nature of it. Ironic that the Microsoft Vista is now the expensive one while Apples OSX is the cheap one.But how many of you usually end up upgrading your hardware when a new OS is released anyway? I'm willing to bet many will upgrade at least one or two and/or even their entire system if they get Vista. At the end of the day their really isn't much difference in expenditure.Maybe Microsoft invested in Apple because Microsoft knew their philosophy was ultimately where they would end up as eventually the compatibility layers would have to be abandoned and they would need to start from scratch -- just a matter of time -- and now let me introduce you to Microsoft Vienna ... have they come full circle.

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Does anyone else use dock software with XP ?http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/166140.jpg

>>>Maybe some of you folks don't recall the days of setting>jumpers on graphics cards and serial port cards and network>cards to select the correct IRQ and base address so they>didn't conflict with other IRQs in your system. Apple>controlled this aspect of configuration because they didn't>want to expose this to their customers. And if you look>around today how many of you would be willing to do that on>their PC?LOL I sure remember those days! I had a couple of machines that I had to change COM2 so that my mouse and modem could work at the same time. LOLAnd remember writing config.sys and autoexec.bat files? hee hee hee>

:-rollWell in my humble opinion, I think it is safe to say, that we are all being given plenty of time to start saving up for our new OS's, new FSXI's, and new controllers etc.Check out this article http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/431which seems to suggest that there is still a considerable amount of life left in our XP's, 2014 will probably be the year of its demise.No doubt by then, we will have all been forcibly converted to XBox Eutopia, PS4GTI or given in to having a good Wii. :-scatterUntil then, I would like to stay with the great bunch of good humoured and very enterprising pilots here on AVSIM who, along with the ACES Team, I am certain will get FSX 'Smooth & Cool' very, very shortly indeed. :-kewl

Wow!!! Just looking at some old posts, and I see Avcomware telling me I view the world in Rose.Lets see...Are you running FS.123456789 in Linux? Mac? UNIX? AS400? Unisys? No???No Mr. TV, it is run on WINDOWS.Like Vista. Hate Vista. Run it. Don't run it, but don't acuse me of being foolish because I talk about the latest MS OS. Get a life. Get over it, but don't get on me.Best,bt

Along with others not sure why this thread is in this forum but along with many others the only and again I say only reason I use Windows is because of FS. If FS would run on Linux or Apple I would never buy another MS OS again particularly in view of all the DRM stuff associated with Vista. I just don't need Windows for anything else. MS is the position it is today simply because of its monopoly position in the market place and like all monopolies it plays for keeps and then some. It just isn't a nice company to do business with even if it has some very talented people on its payroll.Bruceb