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Digital Aviation Fokker 100 release imminent

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This is one add-on I'm definitely looking forward to get - the Fokker 100 from Digital Aviation. They have already released the high quality aircrafts DO-27 and PA-31 and it seems as if the Fokker 10 was sent to Flight 1 for packaging the other day! I also placed an order for the Fokker 100 DVD from ITVV so I definitely know what my brain cell will be occupied with soon. It will be a nice break from the systems logic of all the excellent Boeing birds we have available and will hopefully soon be followed by the PMDG MD11. The Russian birds are too much for my poor cell...

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The Fokker does look nice but last I heard it will have no VC. Also, although it's produced by DA it is not the same guy that did the D0-27, DA-20 or the PA-31.

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No VC for now. It will be added on later. This project has been in the making for 3 years. I am sure it will be good. Supposedly a VERY simulated aircraft. Looking forward to it.

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People should make themselves exactly what is available in the FSX and the FS9 versions.I'm sure there was an indication some while ago that they might not be the same but I can't find the post on the DA forum now.As the DA Cheyenne is my No 1 aircraft on the basis of its brilliant VC, I'd be very keen to buy for FS9.However, I shall wait until the VC is available before I do.

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Agreed, it looks great. But I too will wait for the VC version.

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And I wonder if it's going to be AIRACable?Read somewhere in their forum it gets 0607 navdata as default.Does anyone know anything on that?Best regards,Rafal

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Hello"No VC for now. It will be added on later"Now when was the last time i fell for that one.

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>And I wonder if it's going to be AIRACable?>Read somewhere in their forum it gets 0607 navdata as>default.>Does anyone know anything on that?>>Best regards,>RafalIt will use the Cheyenne's AIRAC which is updated with every other cycle . But developer did not give an exact statement about the terminal procedures, and the FMS manual is still not available..I'll give it a try unless it's overpriced like 40 Euros or something..Bozhan

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The difference this time is it's apparently going to be priced with the lack of VC in mind, then when the VC is ready it'll be an optional upgrade at a further cost. It seems more honest than a certain other addons vague promises...

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Everything is of course relative, but to me 40 euros is definitely not overpriced if it actually delivers what it seems to deliver. The actual cost per used hours over a year won't be many cents for me judging by the manual (or rather tutorial 4 which is downloadable from their site).I'm still hanging on to FS9 partly due to the amount of add-ons I have for the sim, but once I make the transition to FSX (have it but uninstalled it) I will certainly be more restrictive with how many add-ons I purchase. I probably have 20-30 bought airplanes that have a permanent place in the hangar - not because they are bad add-ons but simply because I should focus on learning a few well, than just touching the surface of many.

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If there is No VC it will be no better than the freeware offering by 'Project Fokker'.What a let-down :-(

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Dave, you've obviously not bothered to look at the information in the DA forums, let alone used both products in order to be able to make an informed statement!Paul

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I had the pleasure to write an extensive preview about the DA Fokkers for a German flight sim magazine. With a lot of system depth, accuracy, excellent AP and the overall concept (with virtual copilot, crew module, etc.) the F70/100 spread out a professional atmosphere I haven't found in any other Addon yet. Of course, if enjoying this now in a 2D panel or later in a VC is up to everyone. But generally - if you are really into Airliner simulation, then run, don't walk to try it !Mike

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For anyone interested, it's available for download over at flight1.com now...

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I'd love to buy it since I know it'll be great, but I just don't have any time to sim at all now. Oh well, have fun guys. :-(

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>I'd love to buy it since I know it'll be great, but I just>don't have any time to sim at all now. Oh well, have fun>guys. :-(Well this IS bad news Chris!What's going to happen now to Portland scenery now that your not around? lol

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Dave, I love your bug! LOL! First I wondered what my daughter was chasing on the 47" LCD TV that I use as a monitor and then I told her not to eat it! :D

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Dave,that was a bit harsh... I bought the bird and it's right up there with the best of them. I regularly fly PMDG, Level-D, RFP-B742 and a few other aircraft and this DA Fokker 70/100 is at least as good as the ones I mentioned - if not better. No VC? Well, I love VCs, but on the other hand, I love complex and high fidelity Aircraft even more. A fantastic add-on, I can only recommend it. And no, I have no connection to DA whatsoever. Regards,Jure

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>Dave, >I love your bug! LOL! First I wondered what my daughter was>chasing on the 47" LCD TV that I use as a monitor and then I>told her not to eat it! :DYes, glad you like it, the bug is one of the relations of David Roch's bug, the Moderator on Avsim. He made me promise to keep it well fed ;)

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Other companies have burned people on VC promises but Digital Aviation is one of the most professional devs in the business so I'd be shocked if they didn't follow through on that.personally I prefer the lighter system load, higher refresh rates and ease of use of a 2d panel anyways. I'm glad to see they do include 2D sideviews as well.

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Speaking of ease of use, there are no keyboard key assignments/shortcuts for panel functions, not even for the MCDU!! I found that quite disappointing. I mean, come on, these kind of stuff were available with the add-ons back in FS2000.. And there are some other quirks too, but I won't bother. It seems they too felt some kind of commercial pressure and rushed the release.. I'm sorry but no down payments for unfinished projects here, so this one is going back to flight 1 until they finish their business with that little fokker. Bozhan

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Hey Bozhan,With all due respect, I think if you're going to say that the product has issues and you are returning it, then you should at least enumerate what those issues are. I did purchase this day 1, because I got caught up in the hype....something I typically don't do. On the whole I'd say that it delivers as advertised, although I have not tried the multi-crew function. Here are some items that will really make this product fantastic:1. Virtual Cockpit - any company other than Digital Aviation, PMDG, or Level-D, and I'd never believe it's coming. The previews look very good on there site.2. Non-metric weights - I realize that currently no US operators use this aircraft, but American Airlines used to. I would appreciate a version that I didn't have to do metric->imperial and vice-versa conversions.3. Keyboard entry for mcdu which has already been mentioned by the devs as part of a future release.ThanksJeff HepburnKDEN

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It has some issues, like NAV mode not following the lateral path and occasional CTD errors when doing complicated approaches. I'm not sure if it's my system or the bird's FMC, but I've some other add-on's - which I don't want to name in this topic - but much more complicated as they are and running pretty steady here. My main reason of returning is not being able to use the keyboard shortcuts and I just don't want to wait all the time for a soon-to-come update. Well, lesson learned again; do not assume anything, wait for some reviews and most importantly, buying "boxed" is the best, as the things usually "grown up" by then. Anyway, for me it's better to stay off rather than feeling frustrated while waiting an update. When they get it as the way I want it, I'll consider buying again.Bozhan

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So could anyone comment on the addon (asside from Keyboard shortcuts which is a non issue for me anyways)?How's the panel, easy to find your way around it, graphics quality, how are the sounds, external model, how many paints come with it?

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I can't remember how many paints, but quite a few and there are already user ones for download.The panel is very well done, both graphically and systems-wise. It's different from a Boeing, so it takes a little adjustment, but the click spots are well designed and logically laid out to navigate around. The external model is very good IMO, with some nice touches like a cargo hold whose contents change with the loading configuration. Sounds are good, and I think I noticed the change in sound with changing bleed pressure from the engines at different thrust levels even.I'd recommend it, especially as the communication and commitmment from the developers on their forum seems great so far.

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