2. Lack of any SID or STAR capabilities in the Garmin 1000. - They would not respond to my request for what the status is on this. There seemingly was some sort of data screw up in the nav data, but I never got an answer on whether they just didn't model SID's and STAR's in the Garmin or if the data was missing.

My impression from reading their forums was that their was no promise to whether SID/STARS will be implemented. I will be very disappointed if they are not.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Spaceman3 on all counts.The aircraft has some significant flaws. The autopilot behaves like a typical stock Microsoft autopilot - can't properly hold glideslope. And then they tell you - you go "too fast" which is ridiculous on all counts - not only it doesn't work when you go "slow", it doesn't work at any speed. I never heard of an autopilot that would work perfect at 130 kts but failed completely at 140 kts, actually the digital autopilot on the Mustang is known to be extremely "tight" and precise. And by the way these speed are well within LOC intercept speeds for the Mustang. So any claims you hear about "one dot off" is "acceptable" maybe good for a 30-year old Bendix autopilot, not for the GFC700 model.But the Mustang has strong visual appeal, this part is spot on.The good thing is that Flight1 offers 30 day money back guarantee - anyone can try it and decided for himself/herself.

140kts is an airspeed good for heavies, but for a VLJ you're screaming in way too fast. Autopilots aren't designed to operate outside of a given flight envelope, which is why there are documents telling the pilot what the appropriate Vapp and Vref are. A typical Vapp for the Citation X, which is a heavier jet is 112-136kts.

Starting your approach at 140kts in a Citation is not unheard of. I can easily do that in a Turbo Arrow IV. If ATC wants you to speed it up due to traffic closing behind you, you do what you need to do. Again, rather than stating at what speed the autopilot fails, they locked the thread. What kind of a response is that?

So, because they didn't give you the answer you want... the aircraft is broken? You're kidding, right? Getting the database for nav data is expensive and time consuming... both. Why don't you ask Jeppesen how much they'd want to charge you for a current nav database in electronic form. It's waaay above the price tag on this addon.

The description says functional Garmin 1000. To my knowledge a Garmin 1000 includes SID's and STAR's. That's basic functionality. For it not to be there is false advertising. I have no problem charging whatever they need to charge for the addon. Just don't advertise it as being something that it's not.

Please provide documentation to back up your claims that the flight model is incorrect. Otherwise, you're basing it all off of percieved expectations, which isn't very accurate.

I provided flight1 with documention from a real world test flight. The response was that they couldn't use the information because they didn't know what the throttle setting was while the speed brakes were deployed. Excuse me? What do you suppose the throttle setting would be with the brakes on?It's obvious you haven't flown the plane and seen how unrealistic it flies.

I don't work for Flight1. I don't own the Mustang. However, based on what you've stated... I would have to side with Flight1 on this one.

Based on what? How would you like it if I called your post complete garbage because I understand airplanes and you don't. That's basically what they are doing to anyone who criticizes their product in any way shape or form.

Come on you guys. It is a plane. Should 1 (excellent) plane be responsible for all of FSX's short comings? I think that Barrack can take care of those!!jja

Starting your approach at 140kts in a Citation is not unheard of. I can easily do that in a Turbo Arrow IV. If ATC wants you to speed it up due to traffic closing behind you, you do what you need to do. Again, rather than stating at what speed the autopilot fails, they locked the thread. What kind of a response is that?The description says functional Garmin 1000. To my knowledge a Garmin 1000 includes SID's and STAR's. That's basic functionality. For it not to be there is false advertising. I have no problem charging whatever they need to charge for the addon. Just don't advertise it as being something that it's not.I provided flight1 with documention from a real world test flight. The response was that they couldn't use the information because they didn't know what the throttle setting was while the speed brakes were deployed. Excuse me? What do you suppose the throttle setting would be with the brakes on?It's obvious you haven't flown the plane and seen how unrealistic it flies.Based on what? How would you like it if I called your post complete garbage because I understand airplanes and you don't. That's basically what they are doing to anyone who criticizes their product in any way shape or form.

By all means send it back! I get tired of simmers spending measly bucks for a simulated model, and then getting upset when it doesn't replace John & Martha Kings $249.00 Garmin tutuorial, let alone a version of Sporty's. 140 kts approach in an Arrow? How normal is that? I use to fly Arrows too. My current aircraft is faster than an Arrow, but I don't come screaming in at 140 kts either.Really, send it back!!! 55 bucks won't get you a real Mustang...........period!L.Adamson

I've h :( ad the Mustang a few days now and have yet to fly it (still reading the manual). I've been programming since the C64 and can tell you that alot of sweat went into this product. Besides that the purchase was as smooth as a babies bottom.I'm pretty sure that (trust) this bird will be online and supported for a long time.jja

By all means send it back! I get tired of simmers spending measly bucks for a simulated model, and then getting upset when it doesn't replace John & Martha Kings $249.00 Garmin tutuorial, let alone a version of Sporty's. 140 kts approach in an Arrow? How normal is that? I use to fly Arrows too. My current aircraft is faster than an Arrow, but I don't come screaming in at 140 kts either.Really, send it back!!! 55 bucks won't get you a real Mustang...........period!L.Adamson

I never said 140 was normal in an Arrow. It's doable though. And in a Citation? Not unheard of. Speaking of unheard of, whoever heard of an autopilot that worked at say 110kts and not 140kts? The real point is that they wouldn't say at what point their autopilot ceased to be reliable. If they had I could avoid using it if I needed to come in a little hot.Again, you are basically saying that they aren't charging what they should be charging if everything worked as advertised. What kind of an argument is that? I'm willing to pay whatever if it works correctly.

By all means send it back! I get tired of simmers spending measly bucks for a simulated model, and then getting upset when it doesn't replace John & Martha Kings $249.00 Garmin tutuorial, let alone a version of Sporty's. 140 kts approach in an Arrow? How normal is that? I use to fly Arrows too. My current aircraft is faster than an Arrow, but I don't come screaming in at 140 kts either.Really, send it back!!! 55 bucks won't get you a real Mustang...........period!L.Adamson

C'mon man...don't insult our intelligence. No one here expects nor IMHO has asked for a perfect rendition on all accounts. But a functioning GS and some NavData is not asking too much, is it ???BTW I just flew the ILS into 08R at CYVR following V speeds from 20 NM out and I stll would have taken a bath ....cheersGreg

C'mon man...don't insult our intelligence. No one here expects nor IMHO has asked for a perfect rendition on all accounts. But a functioning GS and some NavData is not asking too much, is it ???BTW I just flew the ILS into 08R at CYVR following V speeds from 20 NM out and I stll would have taken a bath ....cheersGreg

Most data is sold by the hit these days.jja

C'mon man...don't insult our intelligence. No one here expects nor IMHO has asked for a perfect rendition on all accounts. But a functioning GS and some NavData is not asking too much, is it ???BTW I just flew the ILS into 08R at CYVR following V speeds from 20 NM out and I stll would have taken a bath ....cheersGreg

I just picked up a new Garmin 696 for a mere $3295.00. It's nav data expires and won't be displayed after the expiration date, unless I'm willing to fork out hundreds of dollars a year for the updates. I'm not going to.Yes, in the name of "realism", I believe that some of you expect far too much! Perhaps $400 a year to keep the simulated Garmin updated wouldn't be a bad idea. It would at least be more realistic..................don't you think?L.Adamson

Have you guys that are having GS problems tried starting out using the saved flight that Jim provided ? I have shot 20-25 approaches at speed from just above stall to 160 kts and the AP holds the GS dead on. There are relatively few that are having this problem so to say Flight1 put out a product with a non functioning GS is not an accurate statement. I never had any GS problems prior using the startup flight.I never had any brakes once I landed but at least the GS worked.Michael

I never said 140 was normal in an Arrow. It's doable though. And in a Citation? Not unheard of. Speaking of unheard of, whoever heard of an autopilot that worked at say 110kts and not 140kts? The real point is that they wouldn't say at what point their autopilot ceased to be reliable. If they had I could avoid using it if I needed to come in a little hot.

This seems to be turning into a bit of a pissing match. Hmmm... you have flown an Arrow on an approach at 140 knots by autopilot. Given your experience flying Arrows you do know that would be at or close to cruise power with the gear up until starting the descent portion (after capturing the glide slope). If you are actually telling us you would do this please tell me you really did do it using the autopilot, captured glide slope, was able to slow the aircraft using proper engine management techniques for a turbocharged piston engine, slow down enough to get the gear out (on autopilot), then slow to bring out flaps (on autopilot), and feel that it was a safe thing to do and you didn't encounter any straying from the glide slope. And yes, I do have time in this type. I think most GA manufacturers would like to know which autopilot that was cause it is truly a work of art. All autopilots have an airspeed range for capturing glide slope, if you are flying outside that range you hand fly the aircraft until you are within the operational range of the autopilot or hand fly the full approach procedure. The included manual gives you the speed ranges for each stage of flight and when you fly at those speeds the aircraft flies very well.

Yes, in the name of "realism", I believe that some of you expect far too much!

Larry, Perhaps some of us are really spoiled here - when we get a PMDG product it may be 50% more expensive then the Mustang but it meets say .. 97% of the performance/functionality specification of the real aircraft. So yes, I plead guilty!

Larry, Perhaps some of us are really spoiled here - when we get a PMDG product it may be 50% more expensive then the Mustang but it meets say .. 97% of the performance specification of the real aircraft. So yes, I plead guilty!

But Michael.............I can't afford a new CPU to run FSX with all the bells & whistles; let alone the PMDG or Flight1 Mustang. I had to fork out all that money for the Garmin...............and can't even buy monthly Nav updates to be fully realistic.... (crying face here...) :( L.Adamson

Yes, in the name of "realism", I believe that some of you expect far too much! Perhaps $400 a year to keep the simulated Garmin updated wouldn't be a bad idea. It would at least be more realistic..................don't you think?L.Adamson

Expect far too much ? Flying a STAR with a modern aircraft supposedly simulating a complex avionics suite sold as a high end FS based simulation ... maybe you got a point. :( cheersParksy