Big *yawn* to the "Vista sucks" sentiment - sorry, but Vista is quite fine now that it is maturing; even bigger yawn to Windows 7 BETA. The XPSP2/SP3 Zealots will be the same ones holding for dear life to Vista SP2 (or SP3) and who are also likely keeping a death grip on FS9. This pattern is pretty well established for the last 10 years with Windows OSes: The "old" version is loved for its stability (of course it's stable, it's been through the wringer of public use by Billions of users for several years); the "new" version Windows is "utter crap... bloated... buggy..." what-have-you; and the "next" version of Windows holds wonderment and promise which will surely met by derision upon release into the wild. This pattern is surely worthy of the "wash... rinse... repeat" meme.

Didn't Windows start out using numbers? Windows 1.x, 2.x, and 3.x ? If successive versions kept using numbers, wouldn't the consumer versions correlated to 7.x by now ...and now MS is going back to just the number again? :(

You would think... But actually, Windows 7 has version number 6.1... And Vista has version number 6.

Big *yawn* to the "Vista sucks" sentiment - sorry, but Vista is quite fine now that it is maturing; even bigger yawn to Windows 7 BETA. The XPSP2/SP3 Zealots will be the same ones holding for dear life to Vista SP2 (or SP3) and who are also likely keeping a death grip on FS9. This pattern is pretty well established for the last 10 years with Windows OSes: The "old" version is loved for its stability (of course it's stable, it's been through the wringer of public use by Billions of users for several years); the "new" version Windows is "utter crap... bloated... buggy..." what-have-you; and the "next" version of Windows holds wonderment and promise which will surely met by derision upon release into the wild. This pattern is surely worthy of the "wash... rinse... repeat" meme.

I agree with your sentiments on the flightsim, and I used to agree with you about Vista-till I went thru 1 1/2 years (still there) of ##$#.Nothing unusual about my system-and my same problems described all over the internet-but a helplessness from Ms and their techs (who are super polite and very helpful) who don't seem to understand fully what they created and are as mystified as I am....very scary..

Everything I hated about Vista seems to be fixed in Windows 7 BETA. I love it. I never thought I would say that about an MS OS again. I sent them feedback and one of my last lines was something like "I feel like I am the customer again". That is instead of the RIAA, MPAA, etc of course.As for FSX. This is the first time I have run a 64bit version of Windows so maybe some of the improvement I am getting is because of that but I get one extra Autogen notch out of it and still, on average, better FPS than I get in Vista or XP. The way FPS fluctuates it can be hard to be very definitive.

So...If I install Windows 7 on another disk, will my present boot files be rewritten to the new partition made for Windows 7?a.k.a. will I lose the boot file for a new one?Will it interfere at all with a previous Vista64 install on the older drive?Can I install from the DVD without a boot install?

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So...If I install Windows 7 on another disk, will my present boot files be rewritten to the new partition made for Windows 7?a.k.a. will I lose the boot file for a new one?Will it interfere at all with a previous Vista64 install on the older drive?Can I install from the DVD without a boot install?

you will have to bootable partitions, vista64 and windows 7 64. you will have a choice at boot time, which os you want to run. i have vista 64, and 7 64of course you will have to reload all your software on the windows 7 install.it will not interfere with your vista 64you will need to boot from the windows 7 dvdjd

You would think... But actually, Windows 7 has version number 6.1... And Vista has version number 6.

Oh!... that makes perfect sense. :(

Anyone tried Windows 7 with FSX? Curious if there's improvements over vista.

I have a Technet subscription and have Windows 7 x32 / x64 Ultimate.FS9 and FSX both work just fine with Windows 7, along with all major addons that I've tested. There is absolutely NO (no) performance increase in FSX (W7 x64) even though it uses less memory than in Vista.Now, remember that all video drivers are in beta form, but unfortunately I'm getting the same performance in Windows 7 that I was in Vista, no worse, but no better.However, Windows 7 is an absolute dream for everything else including FS9. Even in its Beta release it blows Vista away, comes will all the drivers you need and is rock solid and stable and there IS a FS9 boost (go figure).I've upgraded both my main FS9/FSX system to Windows 7 64-bit and my HP Pavillion DX-7 Laptop to Windows 7 32-bit. Actually its so stable that I will be upgrading the rest of the computers in the house running Vista over to W7. I will assume that the RTM will be even faster and better than the beta, but as it is now, W7 is getting great reviews for a Beta.I'll be staying with W7 for the duration and can't even fathom going back to Vista.Regards,Mike T

I test all OS's with the same FSX install on another drive and never run FSX from within the OS so I have a apples to apples test bed

Nick, great idea, but how do you do that?Given that the OS in which you installed FSX has the registry entries, how do you make the same FSX run on another OS, in a different partition or drive, without installing it there also?John

Nick, great idea, but how do you do that?Given that the OS in which you installed FSX has the registry entries, how do you make the same FSX run on another OS, in a different partition or drive, without installing it there also?John

Yeh, I too would also love to know how to do that. What a time & labour saver that must be.

I love how it's called Windows 7 and yet Apple has been using numbers to designate the version of their OS. Just another way to try to conform to the public to match Apple.

You are dating yourself. :) Do you remember Windows 3? Microsoft has always used version numbers internally and in some cases EXTERNALLY for their OS's. In my XP box, a 'ver' command reveals:Microsoft Windows XP {Version 5.1.2600}See how Microsoft gets version 7 out of this new version?

I have a Technet subscription and have Windows 7 x32 / x64 Ultimate.FS9 and FSX both work just fine with Windows 7, along with all major addons that I've tested. There is absolutely NO (no) performance increase in FSX (W7 x64) even though it uses less memory than in Vista.Now, remember that all video drivers are in beta form, but unfortunately I'm getting the same performance in Windows 7 that I was in Vista, no worse, but no better.However, Windows 7 is an absolute dream for everything else including FS9. Even in its Beta release it blows Vista away, comes will all the drivers you need and is rock solid and stable and there IS a FS9 boost (go figure).I've upgraded both my main FS9/FSX system to Windows 7 64-bit and my HP Pavillion DX-7 Laptop to Windows 7 32-bit. Actually its so stable that I will be upgrading the rest of the computers in the house running Vista over to W7. I will assume that the RTM will be even faster and better than the beta, but as it is now, W7 is getting great reviews for a Beta.I'll be staying with W7 for the duration and can't even fathom going back to Vista.Regards,Mike T

Mike,If a person were having absolutely no problems at all with Vista, (64), would you recommend they switch to Win7 or not?

Mike,If a person were having absolutely no problems at all with Vista, (64), would you recommend they switch to Win7 or not?

Im not Mike, but I think the use of the word "switch" is implying abandoning Vista64? Why be so finalistic.You can however "Try W7 out"...

Yeh, I too would also love to know how to do that. What a time & labour saver that must be.

Its a PITA!But it does cut down a bit on thingsYou must still install FSX to OS 1 (FSX to a different drive/path) with all patches ,.addons, tweaks.. test in combat.. I ususally give it some weeks then make a partition backup of that install outside the OSWipe out the FSX driveInstall OS 2 and go through the pain of installing FSX with its patches correctly (same outside drive/path) but this time only install the addons I know require OS and reg support.. once finished just overwrite the install partition with the backup. OS 3 repeat what was done with OS2 I explained it here too... http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?s=&...t&p=1526073I have to manually edit each OS FSX.cfg file with my changes and simply import/overwrite the logbook but thats it.. you must still install FSX and its base patches correctly along with any addon that requires OS/reg support but as long as all OS's point to the same exact driver/path for FSX as it was installed it can be launched from eachOf course I also have to go through the defrag pain for everything tooThere is currently no difference in perf in W7 compared to Vista and I found XP x64 actually performed better overall with a few scenes squeeking by XP but not anything worth changing the OS for. That may change as drivers may develop but I kinda doubt it. The OS may be 2009 but at the core FSX is 2004. Unfortunately FSX will never catch up to the hardware or the OS'sLOL!

Windows 7 beta works perfectly with FSX. Performance is about the same as vista. I dual-boot between Ubuntu and Windows - I'm not going to get drawn into a a really excited user fight about which is better (OS) but over 10 years desktop support at many different firms I know each and every OS on just about each and every platform since CP/M on the Amstrad and each has their good / bad points. For what it is worth though - this beta is extremely good and bodes well for Microsoft and ultimately the end-user.My hardware at home comprises a 2GHZ Duo Core laptop with nvidia 8400m 128MB graphics, 3GB RAM. FSX runs fine with fps in the 30's (no autogen or traffic loaded atm - note) everything is crisp texture-wise and so far very impressed. Like I said - the outlook is promising. Windows 7 memory footprint is reduced by almost 50% even at this beta stage. More room for your jumbo jet.Regards

I found several problems which I am sure will get worked out and I do agree that out of all the betas in Windows I have seen this one is the best thus far however until I see the final and confirm they have not 'sucked up the gravy' in the demo they managed to free up with features or changes in the final I wont place any judgment on it.At this point support for some of my hardware montiors and my RAID card is not working 100% which I am sure will also get worked out. I would not touch Vista with a 10 foot pole for everyday use but if this OS remains on track I may make the switch later after everything is supported I need.Primary concern in FSX use is there is little or no difference in performance. It is possible newer and better developed drivers may change that but as I said.. the problem with FSX is that it will never catch up to the anything.. the archaic design application is the primary problem to begin with.