acebrandoDo us all a favour and go away, this is a topic about fs9's days being numbered. If you want to discuss music, may I politely suggest you find a site that is dedicated to that topic.I hope this will be the end of it!!Amen

ppgstf, I was on topic and Ed Wilson (WarpD) kept bringing up my comparison on product pricing (add-ons vs. music). I am not going to sit on my hands and take stuff like he was throwing at me. Therefore, I apologize, I will no longer respond to him because it is like talking to a wall; he is always right and everyone else is wrong.Read my other posts about the topic of FS9 please before asking me to leave. In my view, product pricing has alot to do with FS9 add-ons.Brando Steinbarger

The music industry has nothing to do with the software industry. Songs are timeless works of art that can be passed from generations over various forms of media. The best songs, composers and artists actually increase in value with time...Originals of Elvis, Mozart, The Beatles, Beethoven, are worth much more now than they were when they were first released.Software, on the other hand, has a very short shelf life. No matter how much I think that Castle Wolfenstein is a timeless work of art, I can buy it on eBay for 99 cents and not have to purchase it at the same original price of $39.99. Music doesn't get lowered in price because great music appreciates in value and has sentimental meaning. Software eventually becomes obsolete and can't even be run on the latest system (try running your favorite 16-bit DOS based game on Windows 7), meanwhile Mozart is available on vinyl, cassette, CD, MP3 or even DVD.Reading 201: It hasn't.

Mike T,Even though you may not agree with my reasoning, or with what I have said in total, thank you for what you posted on both of your posts. I could not have said it better myself.You are correct from my view.brando

......I have the coolest jets covered, and DF A36/Dakota, DA Do27, and RA SF260 give me some GA fun (am I missing a great addon not listed here?).Later,Pat

DF B58 and Arrow III are awesome, as is the ESDG Cirrus line of aircraft. You also forgot the products from Carenado, all of which are very nice. IMO, no GA list of "Great GA FS add-ons" is complete without Carenado. :(

I started this thread awhile ago and since have also installed FSX on my computer which is not very high end by todays standards at all (P4 3.2). It looks really good etc but the only thing that keeps me going back to FS9 in a major way is the wind shifts that there seems to be no solution for. I posted in both the FSX forum and the HIFI forum but there really was no response other than get use to it.No, I'm not getting rid of FS9 by a longshot, I'm like all the posters that with extra addons FS9 looks absolutely stunning and no wind shifts :). The screenshots of PMDG's new bird (J41) look terrific so I'm tempted just to buy and try it within FSX to see how it runs. I will not switch as I know there is no way I can run my other PMDG birds within FSX. I just purchased Airhauler recently and it has really added life to my flightsimming days and thankfully it doesn't care what sim you use even though if you look at the online stats at the Airhauler webpage it is a 3 to 1 margin for FSX over FS9. So maybe PMDG was right when it said sales of the MD-11 were 3 to 1 in favor of FSX. It seem slowly more and more people are moving over to FSX as they upgrade their computers to obtain the newer FSX addons. I really don't think now FS9 days are numbered after reading these posts but I do think were becoming a substantial minority that will be cast to the side and ignored. All the addons developers are saying is people (FS9 People) need to get with the times and move on over to FSX because that is the new sim of the day. Well, if they can fix the wind shifts for one they may have a point and I'll upgrade and move over but I see no reason in spending hundreds of dollars to upgrade for a buggy FSX; in my opinion.Sean

... it is like talking to a wall; he is always right and everyone else is wrong.

Mr. Pot, please meet Mr. Kettle.Mr. Kettle, here is Mr. Pot... :(

Well, if all else fails and FS9 dies, Aerosoft have just released a new type of sim: http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/re/ibosh...i?showd,,D10963Personally I'd rather watch paint dry, but for others it may be fascinating.

The music industry has nothing to do with the software industry. Songs are timeless works of art that can be passed from generations over various forms of media. The best songs, composers and artists actually increase in value with time...Originals of Elvis, Mozart, The Beatles, Beethoven, are worth much more now than they were when they were first released.Software, on the other hand, has a very short shelf life. No matter how much I think that Castle Wolfenstein is a timeless work of art, I can buy it on eBay for 99 cents and not have to purchase it at the same original price of $39.99. Music doesn't get lowered in price because great music appreciates in value and has sentimental meaning. Software eventually becomes obsolete and can't even be run on the latest system (try running your favorite 16-bit DOS based game on Windows 7), meanwhile Mozart is available on vinyl, cassette, CD, MP3 or even DVD.Reading 201: It hasn't.

MikeInteresting ideas, but I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Please define music, and who assigns value to it. Is music what the composer hears in his head (no value to us)? Is is what he writes down (value as a relic)? Is it what we hear at a concert (value for the moment)? Is it a recording (value set by the record company)?These are all different things, and have different value to different people. I wouldn't give you 2 cents for any recording of Mozart, while I would gladly pay for Bach. Still scratching my head as to what this has to do with FS9.Bob

Well, if all else fails and FS9 dies, Aerosoft have just released a new type of sim: http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/re/ibosh...i?showd,,D10963Personally I'd rather watch paint dry, but for others it may be fascinating.

Don't knock it! I bought it, installed it, ran it - after a year there were strawberries growing out the back of my pc. You have to install sp4 though - it ensures your fans don't get blocked. :(

Don't knock it! I bought it, installed it, ran it - after a year there were strawberries growing out the back of my pc. You have to install sp4 though - it ensures your fans don't get blocked. :(

I take it all back. Strawberries are great!! Mind you, one of the biggest problems with farms for me is what the animals deposit on the floor. I probably have enough s--- on my pc :(

MikeInteresting ideas, but I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Please define music, and who assigns value to it. Is music what the composer hears in his head (no value to us)? Is is what he writes down (value as a relic)? Is it what we hear at a concert (value for the moment)? Is it a recording (value set by the record company)?These are all different things, and have different value to different people. I wouldn't give you 2 cents for any recording of Mozart, while I would gladly pay for Bach. Still scratching my head as to what this has to do with FS9.Bob

Bob, please read the ENTIRE preceding threads, I didn't start the discussion on music....this was brought up by someone ELSE, and is a discussion on software devaluation.Feel free to PM me if you wish to have a lesson in value vs cost and how they influence each other in a given market. But I see with you that the devil is in the details isn't it? What a composer hears in his head or writes down on paper (not marketed) has no monetary value. What you hear in a concert can certainly be valued since most concerts charge a fee for you to have a privilege to hearing the composition. And recordings have value set by the record company that is in turn converted to price. And obviously what 'Bob' feels about Mozart vs Bach is totally irrelevant since both are regarded as masters and originals of their work would carry similar prices. What does this have to to with FS9...read the thread.

MikeInteresting ideas, but I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Please define music, and who assigns value to it. Is music what the composer hears in his head (no value to us)? Is is what he writes down (value as a relic)? Is it what we hear at a concert (value for the moment)? Is it a recording (value set by the record company)?These are all different things, and have different value to different people. I wouldn't give you 2 cents for any recording of Mozart, while I would gladly pay for Bach. Still scratching my head as to what this has to do with FS9.Bob

BobMusic has nothing to do with FS9. It was my fault to bring it up -- I was simply trying to compare another media to the flightsim add-on world. My main point was: If other media, let's use software as an example, becomes lower and lower as it ages from when it was released -- Why is it that certain flightsim add-on prices have not followed the same trend?So, in my opinion, if FS9 add-ons that were made 3 or 4 plus years ago decreased in price -- It would keep FS9 alive even longer with people who cannot afford to upgrade their PC, or buy a new one, to run FSX.I saw PMDG's 744 for FSX operated on a computer with a nice video card, 4 GB Ram, and dual-core processor -- that computer was getting about 8 fps. That is the only example I can think of in that context.Therefore with the above being said, I still think that FS9 has got a fair amount of life left in it especially in this economy.brando

Hey guys! I don't mean to hijack this thread (but then again us Jamaicans are getting a reputation for that as well! LMAO) but I'd just like to get a word in here. I've been hearing for years now that Microsoft has been meaning to move FS over to some planned XBox platform that will have better user interface than the current one. Is that in any way true? I mean, let's face it, as far as entertainment is concerned FS has got to be the most popular single PC software that Microsoft makes. Why would they knowingly kill off a goose that lays a platinum egg? I'm thinking (okay, I'm starting a conspiracy theory) that they are just finally finding an excuse to move FS over to XBox. One of the things that surprises people who I explain the concept of FS to is how easy it is to manipulate it...to manipulate a MICROSOFT software?!? Impossible! I wonder if Microsoft wants to take that away from us? That's a major selling point for FS and that would not be a wise idea. I would sooner shift to X-Plane than lose the adjustability that I enjoy with FS.

Bob, please read the ENTIRE preceding threads, I didn't start the discussion on music....this was brought up by someone ELSE, and is a discussion on software devaluation.Feel free to PM me if you wish to have a lesson in value vs cost and how they influence each other in a given market. But I see with you that the devil is in the details isn't it? What a composer hears in his head or writes down on paper (not marketed) has no monetary value. What you hear in a concert can certainly be valued since most concerts charge a fee for you to have a privilege to hearing the composition. And recordings have value set by the record company that is in turn converted to price. And obviously what 'Bob' feels about Mozart vs Bach is totally irrelevant since both are regarded as masters and originals of their work would carry similar prices. What does this have to to with FS9...read the thread.

MikeHey, slow down buddy. I know you didn't bring up the music subject. I was just thinking out loud. I was intrigued by your thoughts, and might have been interested in a more in depth exchange. Sorry, you took offence. I am a musican and composer, and don't look at music only from a marketing point of view.Bob

What kind of an impact does the upcoming Windows 7 OS have on this discussion of FS9's longevity? MS has said that if software (of any kind) works in Vista, it will work in 7.brando

So far, I've heard FS2004 runs very well on Windows 7, so I think the impact will be small. Perhaps some performace enhancements for the ones thatuse Vista at this moment.