I hate to say it, some people don't like alot of realism (this is not me), but on the other hand, if one is going to design an acrft which seems in high demand then either do it with the expectations which are in mind or leave it alone. It makes no sense to put something on the market when it fails to meet the demands that customers have placed on it. I am sure for some this acrft will suffice, but for me there are developers out there who have products which once you have used their products it is very difficult to buy into something which is not on the same level. It will be interesting to see how this bird flies in the $$$$$ skies. Maybe my comments are a bit harsh but we will see what others have to say.

Excuse me, but who are YOU that you the right tell developers not only WHAT they can develop, but HOW they must develop it? :( You don't like what someone has made? Fine.. don't buy it! But don't start thinking you have the right to tell developers what to do..or how to do it. :( There is no rule that says only the PMDGs or Level-Ds of the world are the only ones who have the right to develop a product that is in demand (i.e. 757, A320, 737NG, etc....)There is NOTHING off limits to ANY developer who has the time and skills necessary to create it and the ability to market it. That is where freedom of CHOICE comes into play... Developers are free to build whatever THEY choose... and we, as customers can choose whether we want to buy it or not... Quality Wings made no secret of the fact that their 757 was a "mid-level" sim... and they haven't deceived ANYONE! Personally, I think they deserve praise for creating it, not admonishment. From the looks of it, it's a quality piece of software that I intend to have in both FSX and FS9. I don't care how much or little it fails to meet YOUR warped standards...

I have to disagree with what you are saying.You are basically saying that if we do not meet your expectations of what the product should be we should not do it.I just do not agree with that.We aimed for a certain part of the market, that was the lite to medium user. We know some of the high end users would be outsideof that part of the market, as well as some of the low end users.The problem we have here is apparently some people interpreted 'Medium' to mean things we saw as high end.We saw medium as things like GDI+ EFIS displays (with moving map display, and multiple display modes) , a detailed Virtual Cockpit, and Exterior modelling. An FMS that has more functionality than what is normally found in 'Lite' products. LNAV, VNAV ,thrust modes, alt and speed restrictions, holding patterns, autoland etc.These are features that we saw were not typically in a Lite product that we felt brought it to medium level.Others saw Medium apparently as all those things, 'plus' a fair amount of functionality in the overhead panel, where 80% of the switcheswere functionbal and an almost completely clickable virtrual cockpit,etc, etc.To me if you include all the features I mentioned above, you basically have a high end product, not a medium to lite product.But that's all a matter of interpretation isn't it ? But who's interpretation of medium is the correct one ? The fans of the high end products such as PMDG or LDS their interpretation of medium is likely much higher than the CLS/Overland fans interpretion is.Regards.Ernie.QualityWings 757 Gauge Programmer

I admire anyone who has the skills to do programing, designing etc......I guess my point here is that there are already "X" number of 757's out there and I don't make much out of medium and lite etc. MSFS and others have already given us these. I suppose if I were going to take on this project/acrft I would have been looking to score a homerun especially since it is or seems to be the hard core flight simmers who are the market with this particular aircraft. I have two 757's already which I fly every so often and would fly more if they were more of the "High End". I would really like to see someone step it up a few notches and bring a "high end" 757 aircraft. Comments I see are folks screaming for a better 757 and 777. My question, what did QW bring to the group which is different, there are already "med-lite" 757's ? In any case Good Luck and all the best, Sincerely

Excuse me, but who are YOU that you the right tell developers not only WHAT they can develop, but HOW they must develop it? :( You don't like what someone has made? Fine.. don't buy it! But don't start thinking you have the right to tell developers what to do..or how to do it. :( There is no rule that says only the PMDGs or Level-Ds of the world are the only ones who have the right to develop a product that is in demand (i.e. 757, A320, 737NG, etc....)There is NOTHING off limits to ANY developer who has the time and skills necessary to create it and the ability to market it. That is where freedom of CHOICE comes into play... Developers are free to build whatever THEY choose... and we, as customers can choose whether we want to buy it or not... Quality Wings made no secret of the fact that their 757 was a "mid-level" sim... and they haven't deceived ANYONE! Personally, I think they deserve praise for creating it, not admonishment. From the looks of it, it's a quality piece of software that I intend to have in both FSX and FS9. I don't care how much or little it fails to meet YOUR warped standards...

Take a DEEP a Breath before you choke.......As far as my rights who are you to tell me what they are! :(

My question, what did QW bring to the group which is different, there are already "med-lite" 757's ?

Hmm... well, an accurate external model, accurate and authentic soundset, realistic yet accurate flight dynamics even designed by a type-rated B757 pilot with roughly 1,000 hours in the type for starters.You should also go take a look at the support forum and see how many of their members are online striving to help and deliver quality support - where are those other 757 support systems at? If it's the 2 I believe you are talking about - 1 is completely non-existent and the other doesn't offer much help in the way of support from what I've heard...They never wanted to appeal or aim at a truly authentic B757 cockpit and systems.

Excuse me, but who are YOU that you the right tell developers not only WHAT they can develop, but HOW they must develop it? :( You don't like what someone has made? Fine.. don't buy it! But don't start thinking you have the right to tell developers what to do..or how to do it. :( There is no rule that says only the PMDGs or Level-Ds of the world are the only ones who have the right to develop a product that is in demand (i.e. 757, A320, 737NG, etc....)There is NOTHING off limits to ANY developer who has the time and skills necessary to create it and the ability to market it. That is where freedom of CHOICE comes into play... Developers are free to build whatever THEY choose... and we, as customers can choose whether we want to buy it or not... Quality Wings made no secret of the fact that their 757 was a "mid-level" sim... and they haven't deceived ANYONE! Personally, I think they deserve praise for creating it, not admonishment. From the looks of it, it's a quality piece of software that I intend to have in both FSX and FS9. I don't care how much or little it fails to meet YOUR warped standards...

Wow. Take a chill pill there. I can hardly see how he could offend you. Maybe if you take every thing in the context he's giving it? The bad attitudes really are getting out of hand.Anywho, I make it a point to support "QUALITY" addon developers (especially thoughs tackling the heavier aircraft) and will do so next pay day with these guys as well. Keeping in mind I already own the Captain Sim offering and it runs beautifully for me (But my Level-D and Airsimmer get's all the attention).

I think that fact the problem was fixed by installing the FSX version, and you had such issue when you only installed the FS9 version, clearly proves your registry was already messed up before installing the QW757.I'm quite sure of it, since I wrote both the Livery Manager *and* the QW757 installer :)BOTH installers will of course try to find the sim in the location pointed by the Windows registry. If everything is normal, an user that has both FS9 and FSX installed without anything messed up, should have his FS9 registry key pointing to the actual FS9 folder, and the FSX registry key pointing to the actual FSX folder.There are some utilites that, in order to allow installers made for FS9 to install in FSX a product that, wasn't for the installer, would otherwise run in FSX, change the FS9 registry keys to point to the FSX folder so, those installer will be fooled and will install into FSX, even if they were made before FSX was even conceived. To help this, Microsoft has even put a dummy FS9.EXE in the FSX folder because, many installers don't simply blindly copy files into the folder pointed by the registry, but also check for safety if there's an FS9.EXE there. The QW757 installer does this, and the Livery Manager does it as well.Flight1 has a free utility that will check and fix both your FS9 and FSX registry entries:http://www.flight1software.com/files/FS_Registry_Repair.exe

UmbertoThank you very much for your help and clear explanation. Much appreciated :(

Hmm... well, an accurate external model, accurate and authentic soundset, realistic yet accurate flight dynamics even designed by a type-rated B757 pilot with roughly 1,000 hours in the type for starters.You should also go take a look at the support forum and see how many of their members are online striving to help and deliver quality support - where are those other 757 support systems at? If it's the 2 I believe you are talking about - 1 is completely non-existent and the other doesn't offer much help in the way of support from what I've heard...They never wanted to appeal or aim at a truly authentic B757 cockpit and systems.

Look, support I have never had issues with any developer, two, the outside can show every revit seam etc. it is the inside where I spend 99.9 percent of the time. I repeat, they hit a homerun with several things I only wish they had gone the extra mile with all the known issues of other 757's and produced a real gem. What was the point in giving 757 fans another so, so half completed acrft. I don't nn to spend lots of cash when I can get pretty much the same thing for free elsewhere. I have always thought the reason to develope add-ons was to give people something more then the toddler acrft of MSFS. It appears the almighty dollar is ruling all to often rather than giving the consumer a better product. Yes, it has a great sound system, but so do many other acrft, yes the outside looks great, and yes many, many other acrft can claim pilot assistance, this comment is not soley directed at this product but many others. To me, if you are going to tackle a project that is not a Cessna 182 especially when your's is not the first, then do it all out. These folks at QW obviously have talent I only wish they had used it all and not sold themselves short. Imagine what they could be selling if this high demand acrft had a "high end" spec to it. I repeat some out there do not like complicated acrft and thats fine and yes there will be a market for this product, too bad this market is already full.Lets see the LDS 767 is how old and it is still considered by many to be in line with the best of todays high end products. I bet it is still selling and LDS, how many acrft have they produced since this gem came out back in FS2000 days. QW, this was a lost opportunity, too bad.

You may complain about the aircraft and so on and so forth, but that development team is one of the first development teams I see so deeply involved with their customers. Already they are reading out suggestions and criticism and wondering how to adjust and tweak their product to make it more suited for the ones that want it to be slightly more advanced. Heck, Ernie has said he is looking into a way to save panel states... If they succeed in doing that, this plane has become in an instant hit for me, and if they do try to tweak the existing systems to extend their functionality a little bit, I think many people will find this to be the best 757 around now.

I admire anyone who has the skills to do programing, designing etc......I guess my point here is that there are already "X" number of 757's out there and I don't make much out of medium and lite etc. MSFS and others have already given us these. I suppose if I were going to take on this project/acrft I would have been looking to score a homerun especially since it is or seems to be the hard core flight simmers who are the market with this particular aircraft. I have two 757's already which I fly every so often and would fly more if they were more of the "High End". I would really like to see someone step it up a few notches and bring a "high end" 757 aircraft. Comments I see are folks screaming for a better 757 and 777. My question, what did QW bring to the group which is different, there are already "med-lite" 757's ? In any case Good Luck and all the best, Sincerely

I think your are looking at the situation now instead of close to two years ago.Less than two years ago when this QW project was started it was supposed to be a Lite product. No FMC, no Lnav, no VNAV, no GDI+ EFIS gauges the exterior model was not going to be close to the level it is now. Its was going to be a 757 version of probably similar to what CLS recently put out for their 767. That's what we hoped for at the time.CaptainSim wasn't looking too good at the time, and its block system made its price much higher back then than it is now, their supportfor their product wasn't looking so good. It did not look at all if they were going to make the changes their customers were asking for.No one was was really sure if LDS was going to work on a 757, no one knew what was going in with PSS.The market seemed wide open for a new 757 product, and developers like CLS and Overland had proven that Lite Products could be somewhat successfull.But during the development period many things changed, the QW team changed, some original members left some newmembers arrived, there were delays we did not anticipate, the project scope changed greatly, and in the process the product changed from originally a Lite product to a medium product. CaptainSim has greatly improved their product since then, their price as also been reduce significantly, LDS has provided more clues they are developing a new 757 product.We did not know all these things were going to happen when we first started.That's risk we take when we choose to develop a product, we don't know how the market is going to change between the time we make the decision to go with a product and the time it actual reaches fruition. And many products worked on never see the light of day for many reasons. Team members leave, they get sick, they get int accidents, they get into disputes with other team members, they go to school, they get married, they have children, they get a new job or a promotion, they ask for too much money etc etc. So its easy 'now' to say well there's too many 757's you should have done something else,or you should have done it to a different level.But we didn't have a crystal ball, we have to look at the market at the time and basically take an educated guess where the market will be when (if) our product gets released.RegardsErnie Alston.QualityWings 757 Gauge Programmer.

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I think your are looking at the situation now instead of close to two years ago.Less than two years ago when this QW project was started it was supposed to be a Lite product. No FMC, no Lnav, no VNAV, no GDI+ EFIS gauges the exterior model was not going to be close to the level it is now. Its was going to be a 757 version of probably similar to what CLS recently put out for their 767. That's what we hoped for at the time.CaptainSim wasn't looking too good at the time, and its block system made its price much higher back then than it is now, their supportfor their product wasn't looking so good. It did not look at all if they were going to make the changes their customers were asking for.No one was was really sure if LDS was going to work on a 757, no one knew what was going in with PSS.The market seemed wide open for a new 757 product, and developers like CLS and Overland had proven that Lite Products could be somewhat successfull.But during the development period many things changed, the QW team changed, some original members left some newmembers arrived, there were delays we did not anticipate, the project scope changed greatly, and in the process the product changed from originally a Lite product to a medium product. CaptainSim has greatly improved their product since then, their price as also been reduce significantly, LDS has provided more clues they are developing a new 757 product.We did not know all these things were going to happen when we first started.That's risk we take when we choose to develop a product, we don't know how the market is going to change between the time we make the decision to go with a product and the time it actual reaches fruition. And many products worked on never see the light of day for many reasons. Team members leave, they get sick, they get int accidents, they get into disputes with other team members, they go to school, they get married, they have children, they get a new job or a promotion, they ask for too much money etc etc. So its easy 'now' to say well there's too many 757's you should have done something else,or you should have done it to a different level.But we didn't have a crystal ball, we have to look at the market at the time and basically take an educated guess where the market will be when (if) our product gets released.RegardsErnie Alston.QualityWings 757 Gauge Programmer.

Seems reasonable to me. Let me also say I admire your openness. As previously stated I too think the best overall 757 is still PSS, mainly because of overall systems and model features(NOT looks!), fully functional vc within the feature set, and stability. But oh my have I longed for better looks inside out! From what I've seen so far the QW757 is not too far from something I'd hang up PSS for.

That's risk we take when we choose to develop a product, we don't know how the market is going to change between the time we make the decision to go with a product and the time it actual reaches fruition. And many products worked on never see the light of day for many reasons.

A great post, Ernie. Really. Very reasonable and surprisingly frank, as Mark has already mentioned above.I believe every simmer would like to get what he or she wants for his or her well earned money. The problem seems to be (but it's so human) we often get blinded by our imagination and expectations whereas it is clearly stated what is being offered. I admit QW757 was NOT on my to-buy list as I am spoiled by some other 'hardcore' addons (we all know them) as for simulation depth and I prefer to stay there. And when I read the info on your website it was clear to me what kind of product to expect. I also admit, from what I've seen and heard in the screenshots and videos, your bird looks great and sounds great. If it was enough for my simming, I wouldn't hesitate to give you my money. I wish you a lot of success on your 757. There definitely IS a market for such medium depth airliners.

I think your are looking at the situation now instead of close to two years ago.Less than two years ago when this QW project was started it was supposed to be a Lite product. No FMC, no Lnav, no VNAV, no GDI+ EFIS gauges the exterior model was not going to be close to the level it is now. Its was going to be a 757 version of probably similar to what CLS recently put out for their 767. That's what we hoped for at the time.CaptainSim wasn't looking too good at the time, and its block system made its price much higher back then than it is now, their supportfor their product wasn't looking so good. It did not look at all if they were going to make the changes their customers were asking for.No one was was really sure if LDS was going to work on a 757, no one knew what was going in with PSS.The market seemed wide open for a new 757 product, and developers like CLS and Overland had proven that Lite Products could be somewhat successfull.But during the development period many things changed, the QW team changed, some original members left some newmembers arrived, there were delays we did not anticipate, the project scope changed greatly, and in the process the product changed from originally a Lite product to a medium product. CaptainSim has greatly improved their product since then, their price as also been reduce significantly, LDS has provided more clues they are developing a new 757 product.We did not know all these things were going to happen when we first started.That's risk we take when we choose to develop a product, we don't know how the market is going to change between the time we make the decision to go with a product and the time it actual reaches fruition. And many products worked on never see the light of day for many reasons. Team members leave, they get sick, they get int accidents, they get into disputes with other team members, they go to school, they get married, they have children, they get a new job or a promotion, they ask for too much money etc etc. So its easy 'now' to say well there's too many 757's you should have done something else,or you should have done it to a different level.But we didn't have a crystal ball, we have to look at the market at the time and basically take an educated guess where the market will be when (if) our product gets released.RegardsErnie Alston.QualityWings 757 Gauge Programmer.

Ernie, Good products succeed no matter how many and I truely hope your hard work is rewarded, such is risk taking. It would have been interesting to have been in on the MD-11 project at PMDG when the real acrft is for the most part a hair away from the desert, and yet they went ahead w/it and as far as I am concerned it is the best sim out there bar none. Had they done less w/ it I think their project probably would be looking at the same fate as the real acrft. For years longer than two ago, the 777 and 757 have been the talk..and a few have been produced by various developers all of which had their short comings (cutting functionality to be the first on the market I suppose). Yes, LDS may be developing a FX 757 but there is yet to be one in the virtual skies, and I have not heard any real news on this since 2005/08, in this case they may be threading a thin line for success and only reputation may save this project should it be completed. I suppose if designing "quick and dirty" is the concept so be it, I for one am looking for more from developers vs. the free stuff and seeing the good stuff QW put on this acrft wish they had gone the extra mile w/or w/out LDS, PSS, CS or anyone else. I hope for the future simplicity does not become the norm or LDS, PMDG and a few others will have a lock on this end of the market, at least for this 10 year plus simmer. Again, Good Luck Ernie and staff

One of the best add ons I've purchased in quite some time. Not only do you get an excellent model and fantastic VC but you get every varient of the 757 and tons of liveries. Since the day the CS 757 came out I wanted a 757 that wouldnt take a massive hit in frame rates like the CS 757 did. I figured there would never be as excellent a visual model as the CS. QW nailed it though. Now they have the best 757 out there that they can even continue to build on.

Now they have the best 757 out there that they can even continue to build on.

While reading this thread I was thinking along those very same lines.I have no idea what goes into the development of an add on. So, I don't really know if you could go back later and add things without having to redo the whole thing. But if you could, it may be worth looking into coming out with upgrades later. Don't even announce them until they're almost released.For example, create an upgrade so that the pneumatic system worked. Charge..what? $15? $25? Later, create the hydraulics. Charge again accordingly.and so on. While I'm sure a TON of people would howl yelling Captain Sim this, and too expensive that, I'd think it'd sell, if appropriately priced. It'd also keep a pretty steady flow of money coming in.Just a thought.

Thats a lot of money for an upgrade fellas.We are listening to all of our users feedback and are considering MANY upgrades for SP1 at no additional cost. At some point there will be a limit though, because we would deviate from our original focus behind the product. That being said we like many of the suggestions so far.