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Hi,I'm considering switching to professional version of Vroute after the years of using FSBuild. I know that Vroute was initially developed for VATSIM folks, but after they started to inlude Navdata, profiles for PMDG\LDS birds with export-to-FS options, I feel like I'm ready to switch.Any opinions?Thanks

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It's a great idea. But the free version includes that. Unless of course you want to export your routes instead of manually entering them.

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Hi,I'm considering switching to professional version of Vroute after the years of using FSBuild. I know that Vroute was initially developed for VATSIM folks, but after they started to inlude Navdata, profiles for PMDG\LDS birds with export-to-FS options, I feel like I'm ready to switch.Any opinions?Thanks
I upgraded from the free version and have been very happy. Having a fuel calculator is the biggest single advantage. The only downside is that some plans are unavailable if the route is no longer compatible with the current AIRAC cycle but I don't come across this very often. The advantage of having so many plans available far outweighs the disadvantage and you are able to correct the 'bad' plans.Support is also very good and the product is very reliable. Gets my vote. :(

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Thanks folks,I just purchase Vroute.premium from simmarket. The program is great, interface is very usefuel, have no porblem so far with learning the program. The only issue that I have noticed is that calculated flight plans do not reflect wind speeds (as FSBuild does). I have winds 000/00 on my progress card. Is it a limitation of the program or I did something wrong with the setup?Thanks againDmitriy

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Go into the Configuration tab and change winds Aloft model to Realistic. It defaults to None - 000/00.

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Is there a link on their webpage that lists the aircraft you can export flight plans to, or, alternatively can anyone tell me if there are any a/c VRoute does NOT export flight plans to? I can't seem to find this info . . .

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Is there a link on their webpage that lists the aircraft you can export flight plans to, or, alternatively can anyone tell me if there are any a/c VRoute does NOT export flight plans to? I can't seem to find this info . . .
This may help you Chuck. Taken from their FAQ section. You'll have to install it first though...4. How do I check if a particular aircraft is not available already?Just open vroute, go to route page, pick any flight plan and see the Fuel tab. All available aircraft are listed in the "Aircraft" selector.

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I'm actually planning on moving the other way... precisely because of a reason already stated: if the route is not compatible with the current AIRAC, you are out of luck. I have been trying to find a lot of routes over Russia and some East European countries, but I can use none, because all have been done with outdated AIRACs. That's why I plan on moving to FSBuild, because it will always give me a route. I mean, for the rest, Vroute is great. It's just terribly disappointing to find so many routes not available.

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That's why I plan on moving to FSBuild
Does FSBuild have an expanding library of ready updated flightplans?

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Vroute Premium has great potential, but even as a "semi-serious" flight planner alternative to FSBuild it is still lacking.The AIRAC difficulties is one thing, but especially the operational flight plan document is a disappointment as with small format changes and inclusion of data it would be fully comparable to the one in FSBuild, and sufficient for simulator use. All data is available so it could be done.The document does not include a fuel calculation breakdown or have ETE/ATO/RETO fields available. I've asked the developer to make these minor changes, but I find his reluctance to do so confusing and even a little bit disappointing. Maybe if enough people asked him..

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A little half off-topic. but has VRoute been down for a long time? Cannot reach the server./Johan
Same here, lost connection last night, still not back up yet today.

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Does FSBuild have an expanding library of ready updated flightplans?
FSBuild does it the conventional way, like the default FS flight planner. So, by default it has no flight plans, but it lets you simply create flight plans using the navdata you have installed. So, if I understand your question correctly, the answer is no. And that's exactly why I want it; it means that as long as the origin and destination exist in the navdata, you can always make a flight plan. This is not true for Vroute, where you have to be lucky. You only get your flight plan if somebody took the trouble to make one and upload it. This is fine for Western Europe and America and the big, busy airport in other parts of the world, but it doesn't work for the not-so-popular destinations.

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FSBuild does it the conventional way, like the default FS flight planner. So, by default it has no flight plans, but it lets you simply create flight plans using the navdata you have installed. So, if I understand your question correctly, the answer is no. And that's exactly why I want it; it means that as long as the origin and destination exist in the navdata, you can always make a flight plan. This is not true for Vroute, where you have to be lucky. You only get your flight plan if somebody took the trouble to make one and upload it. This is fine for Western Europe and America and the big, busy airport in other parts of the world, but it doesn't work for the not-so-popular destinations.
It really is not very difficult to ammend a downloaded vroute fplan in notepad. All you do is substitute the destination airport with the details for your own plus if you need to add or delete waypoints and save the file.vololiberista

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Sure, that's a possibility, but the problem is that if it doesn't match the AIRAC cycle, it is shown as "not available". So, there is nothing to download and amend for my own use... Really, I want a flight planner that gives me every route ask it to give me, not just a selection that I may have to amend afterwards. For those, like me, that want to fly in SLSU, or various places in Russia, Vroute is not that great.

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FS BUILD does have some stored flight plans. These are older contributed plans but you can add to them. If you use the Auto-route function and a stored plan is found, it will use that. Those may not be the latest and you can turn off that function when using the Auto-route feature. (There is a separate category for storing user created plans not for Auto-route use, the normal User category.)AIRAC updates are available at this time at no charge via FSBuild.com. You can export built plans to FS9, FSX, PMDG, LDS, and other formats. It also contains a fuel planning system with several aircraft profiles and you can add your own. It connects to several Active Sky versions and maybe others.It accepts route formats from such sites as flightaware.com using ICAO standards for syntax. Oceanic coordinates may require minor editing (a space deletion in coordinate pairing).When a plan is built it forms a waypoint grid. You can choose to edit this grid by setting an option and then rebuild/export the edited waypoint list. This gets rid of some hard to hit waypoints less than a mile from a runway threshold that may cause dificulties with RC. The grid and the exported plans have all SIDs and STARs expanded to individual waypoints.An example of some FSBuild procedures I have in this support thread in the RC forum here:http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=278121Vroute if I recall only uses current weather. (The site appears down as I write this.) FSBuild uses the weather capabilities of archived or current weather as loaded into your weather application. I use Active Sky 6.5 for FS9. Winds aloft and at the surface are factored into its fuel planning system. When I fly in a different parts of the world I load the weather from the set Z-time of the FS departure location. I do this because the weather environment changes with the time of day due to sun effects, etc., such as fog creation or burn-off, vertical draft/mountain wind changes, and other factors. The only difficulty I have found is in its route function where there are duplicate airport local terminal procedure waypoint labels. The default included radius is 300 nm but this can be reconfigured to 100 nm solving most problems. This avoids points off-route. These areas can be easily proofed on the displayed route map.FSBuild does have a learning curve but not what I consider heavy but that is the price of flexibility. In combination with Active Sky I tend to think of it as a dispatcher's tool. Active sky furnishes the route weather reports and FSBuild furnishes the route/plan and fuel requirements based on that weather.For those who purchase FSBuild there is a non published upgrade link not on the upgrade section of the simmarket.com distribution site.As an aside, for those who wish to "retrofit" an FMC and other navigation equipment to an aircraft of their choice, the same developer, Ernie Alston, also furnishes these panel instrument collections:http://isgsim.com/?page=featuresErnie also furnishes free AIRAC updates for these as well. This way your FMC/GPS database matches your FSBuild database syncing your FS plan for ATC with your nav equipment.

FSBuild does it the conventional way, like the default FS flight planner. So, by default it has no flight plans, but it lets you simply create flight plans using the navdata you have installed. So, if I understand your question correctly, the answer is no. And that's exactly why I want it; it means that as long as the origin and destination exist in the navdata, you can always make a flight plan. This is not true for Vroute, where you have to be lucky. You only get your flight plan if somebody took the trouble to make one and upload it. This is fine for Western Europe and America and the big, busy airport in other parts of the world, but it doesn't work for the not-so-popular destinations.

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I read on the vRoute forum last week that Michel is away for several days but cannot remember exactly how long. This would explain why the service has not been restored.This is the first downtime I can remember in more than two years since I first started using it. I'm sure as soon as Michel returns he'll restore the service unless someone can contact him privately beforehand.

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This is the first downtime I can remember in more than two years since I first started using it
Exactly, I was surprised myself to see no Vroute servers action tonight.I'll see if I can contact Michal on that issue.UPDATE: Michal had a skiing accident in the Alps. He's got a broken leg. We'll need to wait a bit I'm afraid.

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For those who purchase FSBuild there is a non published upgrade link not on the upgrade section of the simmarket.com distribution site.
Ron, can you tell me where exactly this link is? Not sure I follow what you're saying here , , , Thanks!

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.... You only get your flight plan if somebody took the trouble to make one and upload it. This is fine for Western Europe and America and the big, busy airport in other parts of the world, but it doesn't work for the not-so-popular destinations ...
Well,atleast we know who doesn't take the trouble :(

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