Good answer, I stand corrected and what a nice and polite tone! I wish more simmers could handle such a discussion with that attitude. I'm become somewhat of an FSX a really excited user myself, because of the current addons. It seems to me that the FS9 a really excited user are more numerous and more aggressive than the FSX a really excited user, despite I think that there are probably more FSX users than FS9 users. I think the numbers play out wrong because a lot of FSX users aren't even bothered with this discussion or others on this subject, "having moved on already". So I guess most of "us" don't qualify as "a really excited user" if that term is used for someone who can only see one side of the discussion.The most avid a really excited user actually sound like they're advocating a religious conviction or something, regardless of which camp they're in. :( But I wish they'd say "oh I wish you could experience my sim in all it's glory" and not go on saying "you suck for using that sim" or things to that effect.

Thank you, i really do try to be polite even if it doesn't always come across that way...I think you bring up a repeated trend I had not really seen until this thread about the FS9 vocal minority being the majority of the outspoken vocalists. Due to my own biases I think I was seeing it the other way and it is interesting to hear everyone else's perspective...I also feel anytime one camp is trying to cling to something they love and another is moving on your point about the group moving on caring less about the debates makes a lot of sense. Anyone trying to cling to something they love which for a lot of users is still FS9 tend to get defensive and defend it till death ;)Paul

I for the life of my can't understand why there seems to be a need for this fsx/fs9 stuff to pop up here on a biweekly basis, but I will make an observation.I was asked to be a mod here 4 years ago due to the extremely negative "disposition to fsx" when it came out. It was really,really bad, and I particularly remember a low when a poster told me my wife must be ugly if I could find anything to like in fsx. It was pretty shameful what went on.So as a mod-I can't help but notice that what goes around comes around, or karma, or whatever one want to call it.Frankly, I never understood it when it was directed against fsx, and I don't understand it presently directed against fs9, and even more I don't understand people who are drawn to avsim by their love of flight simming and aviation bickering and hurling insults just because someone prefers one sim over another.

Matt S., why are you speaking about 'FS9 a really excited user' when you are a FSX a really excited user? :( Take a look at your posts. You are just begging for another forum fight that we all lose when the thread gets closed. Don't ruin it, 'a really excited user'. :( PS- For the record, I use FS9 AND FSX.FS9- Airliner flyingFSX- GA flying. The only reason I installed FSX was for PNW...it was worth it. :(

I for the life of my can't understand why there seems to be a need for this fsx/fs9 stuff to pop up here on a biweekly basis, but I will make an observation.I was asked to be a mod here 4 years ago due to the extremely negative "disposition to fsx" when it came out. It was really,really bad, and I particularly remember a low when a poster told me my wife must be ugly if I could find anything to like in fsx. It was pretty shameful what went on.So as a mod-I can't help but notice that what goes around comes around, or karma, or whatever one want to call it.Frankly, I never understood it when it was directed against fsx, and I don't understand it presently directed against fs9, and even more I don't understand people who are drawn to avsim by their love of flight simming and aviation bickering and hurling insults just because someone prefers one sim over another.

Hi Geofa, thanks for contributing and allowing the conversation to go on... While I do understand the original negative disposition to FSX I will NEVER understand the personal attacks, the animosity or any comment like the one directed to you and your wife. I agree it is shameful...As for Karma, it is a b*itch what goes around comes around but again that is the bad apples ruining the bunch and certainly no excuse or justification for any of this behavior(especially not from a mod ;) ) ) ( I know you aren't condoning it BTW) As for your last lines I could not agree more.And for anyone who does not believe in Karma here is a true story for you.When I went through my first back operation I was engaged and the girl begged to be by my side. Foolishly I told her I did not want to drag her through it and needed to get through it on my own. I crushed her and never understood it until 4 years later when I was again engaged and again found myself in spinal surgery. This time convinced I was not going to make the same mistake twice I brought my fiance in on every decision, put all my faith in her being my rock and support and not once did I push her away until the night I came home from the hospital and she walked out in the middle of the night without a note, call or explanation, just left me to fend for myself 6 hours out of hospital and the ring on the dresser. Apparently for her it was too much while the girl I pushed away would have done anything to be by my side...THAT is when I started believing in Karma and life took on a whole different perspective for me...Trust me, what goes around comes around...

Hi Geofa, thanks for contributing and allowing the conversation to go on... While I do understand the original negative disposition to FSX I will NEVER understand the personal attacks, the animosity or any comment like the one directed to you and your wife. I agree it is shameful...As for Karma, it is a b*itch what goes around comes around but again that is the bad apples ruining the bunch and certainly no excuse or justification for any of this behavior(especially not from a mod ;) ) ) ( I know you aren't condoning it BTW) As for your last lines I could not agree more.And for anyone who does not believe in Karma here is a true story for you.When I went through my first back operation I was engaged and the girl begged to be by my side. Foolishly I told her I did not want to drag her through it and needed to get through it on my own. I crushed her and never understood it until 4 years later when I was again engaged and again found myself in spinal surgery. This time convinced I was not going to make the same mistake twice I brought my fiance in on every decision, put all my faith in her being my rock and support and not once did I push her away until the night I came home from the hospital and she walked out in the middle of the night without a note, call or explanation, just left me to fend for myself 6 hours out of hospital and the ring on the dresser. Apparently for her it was too much while the girl I pushed away would have done anything to be by my side...THAT is when I started believing in Karma and life took on a whole different perspective for me...Trust me, what goes around comes around...

Now for those that like to quote forum polls and surveys etc... it is interesting to me especially that this post has 60+ responses over here with over 900 views and 18 responses with 357 views in the FS9 forum. Even I noticed that the number of users browsing the FSX forum is typically 3x the number of users on the FS9 forum lately where it used to be much more even. Again, I am trying not to be biased or take sides, everyone knows I support and love FS9 LOL but I really want to step back and look at all of this from an outsiders perspective and call it like it is...

Can't remember since I wasn't online much when it happened - but was it like this back during any previous sim change? Say between FS2002 and FS9? Or some other sim pair that wasn't completely reverse compatible? This can't be the first time MS has chosen to do this?BTW I'm not pointing fingers at MS here. I'm just curious if any of our more experienced simmers have seen this sort of commotion before.

What are you all worrying about FS9 & FSX for? They're just a "game"....X-Plane rules!!! L.Adamson :(

No matter which Sim one prefers, we are all fan boys, . . . . of flight simulation and flying in general or we wouldn't be here on this forum (or other FS related forums). It is a place to share, learn and help. It should not be a place to be used for brow beating anyone for any reason, nor should it be a place to try to coerce others into seeing things the same as you do. Ideas, feelings and facts on a subject are one thing, but how you go about sharing them, is the deciding factor on whether or not you are taken seriously, thereby your ability to produce results. Reasonable discussion produces results. Closed minded labeling and rudeness will not ever produce positive results, it will only cause more descent.Best regards to all,Mel

X-Plane rules!!! L.Adamson :(

a really excited user!!! :( :( B) B) Just kidding...

No matter which Sim one prefers, we are all fan boys, . . . . of flight simulation and flying in general or we wouldn't be here on this forum (or other FS related forums). It is a place to share, learn and help. It should not be a place to be used for brow beating anyone for any reason, nor should it be a place to try to coerce others into seeing things the same as you do. Ideas, feelings and facts on a subject are one thing, but how you go about sharing them, is the deciding factor on whether or not you are taken seriously, thereby your ability to produce results. Reasonable discussion produces results. Closed minded labeling and rudeness will not ever produce positive results, it will only cause more descent.Best regards to all,Mel

Very well said, I must owe you a beer or something today Mel ;) This entire conversation could have gone horribly wrong numerous times and I do appreciate the interactive and respectful "conversation" we are all having and that this keeps coming back too... As I was stuck at home today (spinal injection day) if nothing else I have managed to amuse myself almost all day!!-Paul

A red Starburst will do. I like beer, . . . . . , but beer doesn't like me! More than two and I get flu like symptoms and a migraine that last for days. I think I'm allergic to hops. What a tragedy!Regards,Mel

I for the life of my can't understand why there seems to be a need for this fsx/fs9 stuff to pop up here on a biweekly basis, but I will make an observation.I was asked to be a mod here 4 years ago due to the extremely negative "disposition to fsx" when it came out. It was really,really bad, and I particularly remember a low when a poster told me my wife must be ugly if I could find anything to like in fsx. It was pretty shameful what went on.So as a mod-I can't help but notice that what goes around comes around, or karma, or whatever one want to call it.Frankly, I never understood it when it was directed against fsx, and I don't understand it presently directed against fs9, and even more I don't understand people who are drawn to avsim by their love of flight simming and aviation bickering and hurling insults just because someone prefers one sim over another.

Good post Geof. As usual you have it nailed.We all make choices in using FS9 or FSX. For some of us it's that we like one over the other for reasons ranging from performance, visual or flight modeling, or add-ons. I think we have to be responsible for our choices, and recognize that using FSX does mean investing in hardware and more add-ons, while on the other hand it's becoming evident that add-ons are becoming less available for FS9 as developers sense a greater FSX penetration to their user base. But- for what ever reason- we make our choices in simming and need to either accept the consequences or make a change.When I was learning to fly, my CFI would ask me when on finals "Does this look right to you?". I would say "no". His comment was always "Then fix it" (often said forcefully). If what your using isn't working for whatever reason, then "fix it". Either change, accept your position, but please don't post inflammatory posts.Just my 2 cents worth,Bruce (use FSX on a now-ancient Q6600, and loving it).

This type of discussion has been going on since the beginning of Flight Sim Forums. It's human nature to think what you are using is the best, so you defend it.The only difference now, it's between FS9 and FSX. It used to be FS and Fly! or Pro Pilot or Flight Unlimited or whatever.I used to have one called JetPilot that only ran on DOS and gave number read outs for speed, altitude, heading, etc. I enjoyed it as well as all the others.Bottom Line: They are/were all good. Enjoy,Roy

fs9 users are keeping fsx addons back by demanding companies release products that are compatible with both. So it not only makes the product more expensive, also takes longer to release, and more bugs show up. Making things backwards compatible is not the best option. People just need to get on the fsx bandwagon, I saved up for a new computer after using FS9 for over a year after fsx was released.

Hi Paul,Pretty interesting after reading both threads back to back, the only place there were rude, off topic, attacking posts, were in this FSX thread. Some of you can't even get along with each other.