X-Plane -no scenery(except the global one)-no decent aircraft-support forum is communist, literally, everyone there will ban you for trying to ask something-no future-nothing

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It's true :-)George

It's true :-)George

Maybe in your mind it is...There is scenery for X-plane and most FS 2004 / FS-X scenery packages are easy to convert with a free tool. Said tool is hardcoded to prevent you from using the default FS-X scenery (just because af te legal implications, it would convert just a s easy as standard FS add-on scnery packages)You certainly haven't tried the more recent payware add-ons for X-Plane There are several X-Plane support forums besides the .org one.X-Plane X has a planned release date before X-mas 2010... several spin-off X-Plane projects are released on iPhone / iPad. The current X-Plane 9 code has had several updates over the years. Part of it bug fixes part of it new features. Future? who knows. There is little info about whats in the new X-Plane version. Here is what i found so far:There have been no big revelations about this new version... but, we had some new infos:

- New ATC system with aural interactivity.- New AI system with accurate aerial traffic.- New Meteo system with accurate and progressive applying and new atmosphere effects.- New 3D aircrafts (100% Space Shuttle high-def / SR71 external 3D high-def / MD80 / Dornier 328 / etc.)- New visual effects (self shadows / metal reflections... depends on Ben's possibilities).- New extensions possibilities with Ipad (external wifi glass instruments).- Enhancement of some instruments (like the FMS but not for the first version of X-Plane 10).- New DSF system for accurate roads, textures and buildings.

That info is from http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=45408&st=0

There is scenery for X-plane and most FS 2004 / FS-X scenery packages are easy to convert with a free tool. Said tool is hardcoded to prevent you from using the default FS-X scenery (just because af te legal implications, it would convert just a s easy as standard FS add-on scnery packages)

I do get that a lot of people like add-ons, but I don't. I don't want to search for add-ons to fill gaps in something I already paid for. I want the best out-of-the-box experience. And FSX is way more comprehensive out-of-the-box than X-Plane even in the comparable features like aircraft and scenery.

X-plane allow you to fly at Mars,X-plane allow you to design your own plane and the program will figure out how the plane should fly.To be frank, these two features not attract me at all.

1. You are right, Aerosoft's FS right now may not even get off the drawing board, and whether or not they actually produce a quality sim to today's standards, with their first attempt remains to be seen. There is no denying though that with their experience in the flight sim world, if anyone was going to attempt a project like this, other than MS, and Laminar they certainly have the know how and the in house resources to do this.

Too right. I think of their A320 project and wonder whether Aerosoft is really up to it. If they can't tackle the A320 on time (and a dumbed-down A320 at that), then I have scant hopes for a full-fledged FS. This is coming from a guy (me) who has spend $$$ on Aerosoft products.

I do get that a lot of people like add-ons, but I don't. I don't want to search for add-ons to fill gaps in something I already paid for. I want the best out-of-the-box experience. And FSX is way more comprehensive out-of-the-box than X-Plane even in the comparable features like aircraft and scenery.

Once you get used to quality add-ons you don't want to get back to the default. I never realy got into FS-X mostly because I'm still into FS9 with many, many quality add-ons. Flying in plain FS-X it just feels so limited. Using FS-X as a basis for payware add-ons doesn't work for me as plian FS-X is hard enough on the FPS on its own.Flying in default FS-X I get annoyed by the wrong seasonal textures and the height mesh that has mountains growing in rivers (flying in Europe around EHRD where I live). Its great to see some of the landmarks of Rotterdam but EHRD itself is awfull.I know a lot of you dislike X-Planes airports (just the runway/ taxiways, no buildings) I myself get just as annoyed by the drap 'shoebox' made believe buildings and towers at roughly the right place. Standard FS-X 'made-up' airports don't look anything like the real thing and to me they are just as wrong as the X-Plane empty airports.

My sim is better than your sim, so there!! When you take away the substance that's all I'm hearing in this thread.Enough already! Isn't it about time we stopped all this nonsense and think instead about supporting both sims. FSX to encourage further 3rd party development and X-Plane because, with work, it could turn out to be the only real contender for numero uno position sometime in the future.They each have their merits and I for one enjoy both FSX and X-Plane.Also, lets not forget FS9 which, without doubt, still has a lot going for it assuming you have, like me, invested in loads of superb third party addons to enhance this sim.The X-Plane experience now is a bit like the earlier days of MSFS when we enjoyed the ongoing excitement generated by all those new developments and discoveries. If you are lucky enough to have pretty gutsy modern hardware then it is likely that you have finally arrived at the point in the life of FSX when you can enjoy what is now a fairly mature product. We all appreciate the contribution made by those legions of 3rd party developers who have changed this sim beyond all recognition and made it what it is today. Without that, and our steadfast encouragement and support, FSX would likely have passed into the annals of history with some fairly dubious credentials to its name. 3rd party interventions changed all of that.So, folks, I say lets try to be less negative and offer our support to X-Plane as a possible future worthy successor to the MSFS series. It could happen.Mike

My sim is better than your sim, so there!! When you take away the substance that's all I'm hearing in this thread.Enough already! Isn't it about time we stopped all this nonsense and think instead about supporting both sims. FSX to encourage further 3rd party development and X-Plane because, with work, it could turn out to be the only real contender for numero uno position sometime in the future.They each have their merits and I for one enjoy both FSX and X-Plane.Also, lets not forget FS9 which, without doubt, still has a lot going for it assuming you have, like me, invested in loads of superb third party addons to enhance this sim.The X-Plane experience now is a bit like the earlier days of MSFS when we enjoyed the ongoing excitement generated by all those new developments and discoveries. If you are lucky enough to have pretty gutsy modern hardware then it is likely that you have finally arrived at the point in the life of FSX when you can enjoy what is now a fairly mature product. We all appreciate the contribution made by those legions of 3rd party developers who have changed this sim beyond all recognition and made it what it is today. Without that, and our steadfast encouragement and support, FSX would likely have passed into the annals of history with some fairly dubious credentials to its name. 3rd party interventions changed all of that.So, folks, I say lets try to be less negative and offer our support to X-Plane as a possible future worthy successor to the MSFS series. It could happen.Mike

Couldn't agree more, well said. Any company that is producing flight simulation software will have my full support, regardless of my preferences.

I have to say I have never been convinced of this "supporting" software/tech companies meme. Tech products are not football teams :( When I was highlighting X-Plane's faults I was not cheerleading for FSX. They're just software products, I don't really care. If someone comes out with a better flight sim than FSX I will line up on launch day with my wallet ready.So roll on X-Plane 10, show me what you've got. If Laminar come up with an obviously better product than FSX I will buy it, no question.

My sim is better than your sim, so there!! When you take away the substance that's all I'm hearing in this thread.Enough already! Isn't it about time we stopped all this nonsense and think instead about supporting both sims. FSX to encourage further 3rd party development and X-Plane because, with work, it could turn out to be the only real contender for numero uno position sometime in the future.They each have their merits and I for one enjoy both FSX and X-Plane.Also, lets not forget FS9 which, without doubt, still has a lot going for it assuming you have, like me, invested in loads of superb third party addons to enhance this sim.The X-Plane experience now is a bit like the earlier days of MSFS when we enjoyed the ongoing excitement generated by all those new developments and discoveries. If you are lucky enough to have pretty gutsy modern hardware then it is likely that you have finally arrived at the point in the life of FSX when you can enjoy what is now a fairly mature product. We all appreciate the contribution made by those legions of 3rd party developers who have changed this sim beyond all recognition and made it what it is today. Without that, and our steadfast encouragement and support, FSX would likely have passed into the annals of history with some fairly dubious credentials to its name. 3rd party interventions changed all of that.So, folks, I say lets try to be less negative and offer our support to X-Plane as a possible future worthy successor to the MSFS series. It could happen.Mike

Yes, but what happens when we get the same thing as what the MSFS series has suffered? What if X-Plane goes into the same problems we have with the MSFS series?

HiJust remember that the more complex the scenery, models, ATC, weather, weather engine etc the more work a computer has to do and the longer the simulator takes to load. Careful when you wish X-plane would look like MSX and still load quickly and have great frame rates. It is not possible to have good frame rates and a greate look to the environment on a cheap computer. Just use what simlulation program you like and enjoy; in fact as some people say, use more than 1 simulation for different things. And I fly (real) gliders when the simulation is not quite right - but use MSX to practice using thermal and landings. :)

I missed this post.I'll add the Redbird simulator to the list... http://www.flyingmag.com/safety/training/r...ght-simulationsI got a demo at Oshkosh last year and would like one in my living room.. :( Me flying it and a certain Ron filming it...

A good day all in all Geof... we are priviledged to be involved with Redbird because they don't use X Plane :(

HiJust remember that the more complex the scenery, models, ATC, weather, weather engine etc the more work a computer has to do and the longer the simulator takes to load. Careful when you wish X-plane would look like MSX and still load quickly and have great frame rates. It is not possible to have good frame rates and a greate look to the environment on a cheap computer. Just use what simlulation program you like and enjoy; in fact as some people say, use more than 1 simulation for different things. And I fly (real) gliders when the simulation is not quite right - but use MSX to practice using thermal and landings. :)

Wrong - you didn't get my message here; I just wondered if X-Plane gets the same bugs we have with MSFSX.

If anyone is happy with X-Plane and FS2004 because enjoying the modern version of FSX is just too far beyond belief or desire, then here is the perfect flight sim. There are no heat or noise issues, with a rock steady 1 Frame Per Shake (FPS), and there is never any need for a stressful challenge to improve one's self, or sim:With tongue in cheek,Stephen :(