PS - I have the add on and I love it. My only complaint is I have trouble finding the click spots for entering flight plans.

Have you used the keyboard for typing in way points? You also might popup the units larger to make your changes, then reduce back to normal when on the fly.Regards,Jim

It has nothing to do with not listening to stupid customers. You are simply in a very small minority of people who miss those features, one too small to drive important feature decisions by developers. And that is neither good nor bad - it just is.The problem the Devs. have is that a lot of people would have to want to pay extra for these additional features to make it worth their while to do the extra programming. Not just you. They need a return on investment.The size of the add-on market is small - far less than 10% of all FSX buyers purchase an add-on per Microsoft at the last AVSIM conference in Seattle. Now, how many of those pony up for the complex add-ons at the top of the price scale. A far, far smaller number. And then, how many are disatisfied with a piece of equipment they most likely have never touched in real life, and never will? We are talking a handful - and that handful is a group likely to be involved in aviation already, and have access to certified training tools. There just isn't margin in doing that programming - it would sell too few extra units to justify the cost. And in this business, that cost is both real programming time, plus opportunity cost. Taking programers away from popular products that will sell a lot to add features that only a few are interested in is bad business. Jim said it - he has a very good idea of what his audience wants in terms of price/features/realism and he varies from that calculus at his peril. Ths kind of software development is complex and expensive. He doesn't promise full fidelity to the Garmin instrument. He doesn't mistate the truth in his advertising. So giving him a hard time about it doesn't seem particularly fair to me. I'm not saying don't raise your questions or concerns. How else can Jim and his firm gauge whether or not they made the right decision beyond the sales numbers? But don't be offended if they don't end up doing what you ask. A lot of people would have to want the same thing for it to make sense from a business perspective. ColinPS - I have the add on and I love it. My only complaint is I have trouble finding the click spots for entering flight plans.

Very well said Colin.

Like Jim, I don't see heated..I see a very frank discussion on whether misleading or untrue statements should be challenged or unchallenged.In our case, we decided to challenge the veracity of some and included a very concise explanation as to why users should not assume certain things from Devs.

I wasn't necessarily referring to you Ron or Jim in terms of ''heated''. What I define as ''heat'' may well have been from others, as Jim said... ''they got mad and left and a few others were mad because...'' Perhaps I should have said... ''protracted.''I don't wish to offend, it's just a personal opinion, a philosophical point, as an unbiased observer of this thread.I moderate a well known flight sim developer/publishers forum, I have dome for quite a few years now. And I note that the said developer/publisher responds differently. They tend not to engage in protracted, and perhaps heated [from the customers perspective] debates like this one. Instead they correct any misapprehensions and leave it at that.I feel, in my view, that is a better course of action.However, it's your business, and for you to decide what's right for you. :(

I wasn't necessarily referring to you Ron or Jim in terms of ''heated''. What I define as ''heat'' may well have been from others, as Jim said... ''they got mad and left and a few others were mad because...'' Perhaps I should have said... ''protracted.''I don't wish to offend, it's just a personal opinion, a philosophical point, as an unbiased observer of this thread.I moderate a well known flight sim developer/publishers forum, I have dome for quite a few years now. And I note that the said developer/publisher responds differently. They tend not to engage in protracted, and perhaps heated [from the customers perspective] debates like this one. Instead they correct any misapprehensions and leave it at that.I feel, in my view, that is a better course of action.However, it's your business, and for you to decide what's right for you. :(

But there-in lies the difference. You said that you moderate a well known publisher/developers forum.Avsim forums are open forums that have no direct ties to any development house.In your situation, you or the developer ultimately have control of the situation. Here, we don't. We don't even know if the person making any claims even legitimately owns the product.In your own forum, you can. There is a big difference between the two situations. But thank you for the clarification.Jim

I would buy it... it's one of my favorite planes to use on vatsim - it has most of the latest waas and regular approaches in the database. And you can update the standard navdata using navigraph's service...You only need a fairly recent computer to run it well - something like E8600/Q9650/i7/i5 era

Have you used the keyboard for typing in way points? You also might popup the units larger to make your changes, then reduce back to normal when on the fly.Regards,Jim

I'll go back into the manual and check that out. Thanks Jim!

In your situation, you or the developer ultimately have control of the situation. Here, we don't. We don't even know if the person making any claims even legitimately owns the product.

Just Flight have a support forum and an open public forum. They tend not to engage in protracted debates in the open public forum, they just state the facts and leave it at that.

Just Flight have a support forum and an open public forum. They tend not to engage in protracted debates in the open public forum, they just state the facts and leave it at that.

But you still ultimately have control. Thats my point and it is a far different dynamic.As far as what they do and what we (or others might do) like I said earlier, I do not post here a lot, although the last few days would not prove that!But I would rather be a personality that my customers know, that might give a colorful opinion now and then and one that doesn't always give the same predictable dry, marketing, polished answer and disappear when confrontation arises. Example of the faceless support / marketing gnome: "Yes, we will certainly take your suggestion under consideration, thank you for sharing it with us" (as they turn around and toss it in the bit bucket) :( Anyone can do that, and there is no real connection with the customer of any kind. I have an opinion in real life and I have one in the work place and I will generally share it when asked. And it has nothing to do with the quality level of development, support and service that we or I offer for our product line. Jim

I have the Cessna Mustang, and it is one of the nicest flying planes on my system. The quality of the 3d cockpit and the externals are excellent.What I like most about the plane is that it can be easily flown into small airports (slow approach speeds), yet it has a navigation system on par with an airliner. By that I mean, you have SID's and STAR's, and WAAS, plus VOR and ILS. The navigation data base has all the WW fixes, navaids, etc. Since I live in Southern California, and can fly from my local airport in Ramona (30 miles north of San Diego) to Las Vegas, McCarran (KLAS), I'm not restricted from going anywhere I want (large or small airports).If I ever win the lottery, the "real" Cessna Mustang will be given serious consideration!My two cents,Bill Clark

Would definitely agree with you there Bill. Although, I must confess, I'm not a fan of 3D cockpits, I'm a 2D boy. And Flight1 do 2D panels so well.I'm also particularly impressed with the autopilots lateral navigation, sticks to a turn like epoxy resin.

What I like most about the plane is that it can be easily flown into small airports (slow approach speeds), yet it has a navigation system on par with an airliner.

Yep, my kind of flying too. small, challenging airports are my cup of tea. :(

I wish Flight1 would re-do their Pilatus to give more detailed system modeling, personally that's my favorite aircraft, a single engine turboprop just as fast as many small jets. That is the perfect aircraft to buy with lottery winnings

martin-w,The reason I fly almost exclusively in 3D mode is that I'm using a touch screen monitor running on another PC next to my flight sim PC via network mode using TouchBuddy software. I created a profile using the TouchBuddy Toolkit that permits me to take advantage of the Key presses that the Mustang Developers (Jim Rhodes) provided.The benefit is that I can implement almost every command I need from the touch screen. I've posted my profile here on the TouchBuddy website. Scroll mid way down the page to see it:http://www.touch-buddy.com/forums/local_li...p=10&page=2Click on the images to see screen shots of each tab. However, you do need to buy the pay ware version of FSUIPC4 to access a number of the key events necessary. FSUIPC4 is useful for many things.Bill Clark

I understand Bill, sounds like a nice setup.

Does Mustang allow:1) modify on the flu the flightplan?2) reload a saved flight mantaining poreviusly saved flightplan?

1. yes2. no