They have pulled the plug on FS9 products which includes the new 737NG.One of their developers accidently spilled the beans about the 737 a while back even though its not official, i saved the thread on my laptop before it was pulled.I for one am disappointed about it. If a company promises all along that the NG will be for FS9, then do a u turn, well thats terrible business practice, not that PMDG give a toss.If they had said everything after the new NG will be FSX only i wouldnt have a problem with that. But when you promise something for years and then pull the plug on it, not good practice.As for "if you want the new stuff, all you have to do is install FSX", well i bet thats what all the developers want. Not everyone has the capability to just upgrade at the drop of the hat.

I very much doubt that PMDG ever promised anything. If you believe it did perhaps you can post a link? Anyway, what has anyone actually lost as a result of this decision.Once PMDG decided it wasn't worthwhile to continue developing for FS9, it would have "been terrible business practice" to continue.

I would just like to remind you all that Feelthere.com are still catering for FS9'ers and their latest Embrear 135-195 version 2 is fantastic in both sims. My advice is to patronise them so they know where the bulk of the market is and have not buried their heads in the sand like PMDG and LVLD.

Don't forget that PMDG may be about to do themselves a disservice regarding the new 737NG not being available for FS9, because iFly will soon be releasing a 737NG that WILL be available for FS9! Based on the pics out there, and the detail that went into the 747, it should be at least as much of a winner as the PMDG. And there are more quality FS9 developments out there...;)

I would fully suppory feel there and hope the pick up where PMDG dropped the ball.

Guys,There still hasn't been any official word from PMDG published about this topic. Wait and see.

I would just like to remind you all that Feelthere.com are still catering for FS9'ers and their latest Embrear 135-195 version 2 is fantastic in both sims. My advice is to patronise them so they know where the bulk of the market is and have not buried their heads in the sand like PMDG and LVLD.

What about fslabs Dave, they too must have there heads buried in the sand, Once the LDS 757, PMDG 737, 777, dash8, and FSlabs A320 come out how many strictly fs9 users will be left. Not many I would imagine. My advice get FSX use both.

My advice get FSX use both.

When the time is right, my friend, but not now. As of June 17th, 2010 there are no single pure FSX good quality commerical jetliners on the FSX market. PMDG, LDS, Feelthere, Coolsky, LH Maddog are all conversions from FS2004. I would rather wait for PMDG NGX, read reports, wait for SP1, watch Youtube videos - then stick to FSX. Let's be practical, not emotional.

When the time is right, my friend, but not now. As of June 17th, 2010 there are no single pure FSX good quality commerical jetliners on the FSX market. PMDG, LDS, Feelthere, Coolsky, LH Maddog are all conversions from FS2004. I would rather wait for PMDG NGX, read reports, wait for SP1, watch Youtube videos - then stick to FSX. Let's be practical, not emotional.

The PMDG MD11 was built from fsx and scaled back for FS2004, correct me if Im wrong.

MGH;..."I very much doubt that PMDG ever promised anything. If you believe it did perhaps you can post a link?"

http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtop...p;hl=fs9+737ngxLook at post #2 by Ryan, took me about 30 seconds to find it, im sure there's other quotes of a similar nature.When you state you ARE GOING to develop something for a lengthy period of time and then turn your back on it, it is terrible business practice as your credibility and name are forever tarnished. Customers wont believe or trust you anymore.As i have stated, i dont have a problem with PMDG going FSX only, but i believe what they should have done was to say, ok guys we have been saying we are going to release the NGX for FS9 and we will do so, but after that its FSX only.

G-YMML1:..."There still hasn't been any official word from PMDG published about this topic. Wait and see. "

Basically what happened was someone quoted an article from a magazine stating that PMDG were making the 737 NG for FS9. Below is the response from one of the developers which was later deleted (not before i saved it), along with two of my threads that were started in response to it.

PMDG developer;"...What do you guys think we're doing here exactly? Do you think this is some sort of conspiracy where we make money every time MS sells a copy of FSX or something? MSFS is dead, there's no reason for us to support one sim over the other aside from what we have seen in our sales trends. I dont know where that magazine got its information btw (probably very old sorce material)-we are NOT doing an FS9NG..."

The PMDG MD11 was built from fsx and scaled back for FS2004, correct me if Im wrong.

PMDG MD11 development started when some of the current simmers were in the kindergarden. :( First, it was Bill's to-be-freeware panel for MD11, then MD11, as a full scale project for FS2004, was announced in 2005 when nobody heard about FSX!!! I hardly doubt that it was true backward conversion.

http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtop...p;hl=fs9+737ngxLook at post #2 by Ryan, took me about 30 seconds to find it, im sure there's other quotes of a similar nature.When you state you ARE GOING to develop something for a lengthy period of time and then turn your back on it, it is terrible business practice as your credibility and name are forever tarnished. Customers wont believe or trust you anymore.As i have stated, i dont have a problem with PMDG going FSX only, but i believe what they should have done was to say, ok guys we have been saying we are going to release the NGX for FS9 and we will do so, but after that its FSX only.

Your link reads:

Yes, we're proceeding with the new NG for FSX and FS9 just as soon as the FS9 MD-11 is released.

That is not a promise. Companies procede with projects that are subsequently dropped without having their "credibility and name are forever tarnished" as you wildly suggest. It happens all the time in the real world. Are you seriously suggesting that PMDG should have continued to develop an FS9 version even if it might not be profitable?As I said previously, and you ignored, no one has lost anything by PMDG's decision so what's the problem?

mgh;What part of "we're proceeding" dont you understand?Proceed; 'go forward', 'continue', 'go on with an action'. Continue; 'do something without stopping'.Promise; 'A statement that you will definitely do or not do something'.Again the STATEMENT; "...Yes, we're proceeding with the new NG for FSX and FS9..."

As I said previously, and you ignored, no one has lost anything by PMDG's decision so what's the problem?

No i didnt ignore it, well actually i did because i couldnt believe anyone would be so selfish as to write something like that. What about all those who will miss out on using the product after it was stated that 'we're proceeding'?I wonder what FSX users like yourself would be saying if PMDG suddenly came out with a statement to the effect of, sorry boys and girls but we are no longer developing the NGX.Even though you wont admit it, you would be a little ######.

I dont really think it is a matter of "losing anything".I personally dont care much what happens with the PMDG 737NGX As i wouldnt purchase it knowing that there is a what looks to be quite promising 737NG on the horizon, But as I said it's not a matter of "losing anything".

And if they proceed for another 10 years and you still don't have anything, then what have you lost? Something you never had.

Proceeding doesn't mean 'we promise we will do this', it means nothing more than 'at this moment we are in the process of doing something', and PMDG are perfectly entitled to stop proceeding if they wish to. If a PMDG person had said: 'I'll personally show my &@($* in the street if we don't make a new FS9 737 for all you FS9 dudes, and that's a promise you can take to the bank', then FS9 users might have reason to feel cheated, but they didn't, so we aren't.At one point Boeing were proceeding with making a supersonic airliner (which, coincidentally, they dropped in favour of making the real 737), another time they were proceeding with making a sonic cruiser, they dropped that too. Things get dropped, it happens. If they drop the new PMDG 737 for FS9, it will not be to personally annoy anyone, it will be because they decided it's not the right product for them to make. I'm sure their accountants and directors have a better grip on whether something is financially sound for them to proceed with than anyone not privy to their financial and sales records and forecasts. On the other hand, I-Fly have said they are making one, so it's all swings and roundabouts. So there will be a new FS9 737NG, it just might not necessarily be from PMDG. Which means there's really no reason to get upset about the situation. If you really cannot live without PMDG's new NG, all you have to do is install FSX and you can cheerfully fly it all you like, if you prefer to stay with FS9, then the I-Fly one will be something to buy.Al