I'm sorry? What does "LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!" mean in this context?You're not shouting at me, do you?Sorry for still not seeing the funny point in reporting problems and don't giving a thing about a solution here.When will the next entertainer come up, reporting stuff he doesn't care about, just to entertain some strange biased fellows with not so funny USB stick stories? Just wondering. Rhetorical question of course.Am I around here to get called funny names or getting shouted at if I take some reports serious and give advise to my best knowledge? I don't think so, Sir. And I think that some of the helping users don't want to be treated like this too.And your "moral support" means what exactly? If you want to chat in more or less entertaining ways, there are some possibilities on the net, so why use threads (under false-pretenses) in an user to user help forum then?By the way, I don't get the context out of this "Remember, it IS only a game.." phrase here. What kind of game are you playing when supporting useless threads in the mentioned forums? I suggest changing the field for such things.

But, as stated, the EZCA forums are the way better place to discuss and report things in my eyes.

I thought that a doctor's office would be the best place to discuss and report things that are in your eyes.Regards, Mike Mann

But, as stated, the EZCA forums are the way better place to discuss and report things in my eyes.

I thought that a doctor's office would be the best place to discuss and report things that are in your eyes.Regards, Mike Mann

A little insulting phrase without a smiley or something? C'mon, Mike, there must be something more, more mature or something. Just try again but be aware that you bring this thread to even more "entertaining" limits now. Well done. Do you disagree with the quoted phrase that support issues (well, if they were support issues) are best placed in support forums? Just wondering. You surely have an interesting opinion about this.I suggest to stop the blaming game and get rid of insulting statements (like yours for example). The threadstarter did not search any help, he never answered to the three guys trying to give support but only reacted on the maybe entertaining arrangements of some others. No one is or was looking for help here. So why not close this topic and continue on the normal ways of the Avsim policy? Seems like the best way to go and it also protects you from going too far, Sir. :(

Count me in as another (ex-)user who agrees with the OP. I love the idea of EZCA but have never been able to get it running without a lot of other bizarre things happening - Track IR screw-ups, VC's that disappear and reappear, views that can't be located properly... not to mention the whole rigamarole of having to set up views for every a/c. It's off my system at the moment. In the thread about EZCA 2.0, I mentioned that I'd like to see a version that's as transparent as FS Force - one where you can tweak if you want, but that also comes with useful presets so you can also just load and fly. I'll be happy to look at version 2.0 and even pay extra for it - the effects when they work are that good - but I'm going to be guarded about it 'til I hear from other users.Re: the other topic in this thread - hearing from other users - I found the original post not just entertaining but also helpful. It was useful for me to know that I wasn't the only one who felt the way I did about EZCA. Entertainment and information aren't mutually exclusive. As for those who seem to want to turn this into a tech support forum that consists only of operator problems and potential solutions - isn't that what developer tech support forums are for? I always thought AVSIM was about something broader - for example, sharing insights, opinions and yes, even emotions among members of the community. If that's changed, I hope somebody'll let me know so I can look for my entertainment buzz someplace else. Just sayin'...

Do you disagree with the quoted phrase that support issues (well, if they were support issues) are best placed in support forums?

The question wasn't addressed to me but for what it's worth, I don't think this was a support issue. I think it was a user expressing an opinion about a commercial FSX add-on, which seems to me to be within the scope of this forum.

So why not close this topic and continue on the normal ways of the Avsim policy? :

I understand that you're making a point about personal insults, which AVSIM (rightly) doesn't permit. All the same, I hope the thread won't be closed, at least not just yet, assuming we can get it back to the topic at hand, which is voicing opinions and frustrations about EZCA. IMHO, Avsim has been moderated within an inch of its life - a little more freewheeling discussion woudn't necessarily be a bad thing.In this as in other matters, your mileage may vary... :(

St Ex, some applause. Finally some words to read and arguments and opinions to follow. I wonder what held off some others from discussing things in a normal way (like you did) so far.As you see, one was shouting, another one insulting (and none of them helped so far). I really respect different opinions about "support" and I don't run through forums like this :( all the time, but I won't approve the technique of stating problem reports and don't caring a thing about guys trying to help or suggest on them. That's wrong, it was and still is. So if the threadstarter wanted to just "say something", he chose some strange approach on it and generally blamed some soft to be a frustrating experience.Currently, this title and first post are something like the various "I'm disappointed by this or that dev" threads around. They come up randomly, state very, very personal insights and are pointless. But, as you saw, some guys (including me) take them as a need for support and therefor try to help. Sad story to receive shouting and insults then.So lets assume that there are some guys with troubles setting up EZCA. Wouldn't it still be better to gather those opinions over at the devs place to allow a proper feedback (to the devs)? At least, now that he maybe has gathered some, he should open a thread over there and link to it.Does it take some misplaced threads like this one (mainly referring to the opening post) to show a maybe necessary need for improving the manuals or videos (in case everyone read and saw them)?I can imagine adults to work their way in a more precise and also more efficient way, without losing their smile at all. I also see this software as very normal in the way of how it's operated. Unless you don't dig into the various effect options, you will get this thing running up in minutes when following the manual (that's what it's for by the way).As for the entertainment again, .. ah, no, not again.

I've had EZdok since it first came out and consider it a must-have addon for FSX. The interface itself is quite daunting, to say the least. I also agree with the OP on this. With that being said, I have only slightly tinkered with it since purchasing it. I haven't gotten into the "meat and potatos" of the program yet but hopefully will do so in the future. Every addon aircraft (and those already installed) have automatically been set up by EZdok so that the effects are working without any need to set them up on my part. The only thing that I've had to do on occassion is to zoom in some in the VC. I've also assigned some key strokes for internal views (rear cabin seat, for example.) That's pretty much it. The hi-hat button on my joystick works the different views fine (FSX views, such as VC, external, tower, etc.) This program would GREATLY benefit with a more user-friendly interface.P.S. This thread has definitely brought some entertainment value into the forums... ;)

 So if the threadstarter wanted to just "say something", he chose some strange approach on it and generally blamed some soft to be a frustrating .....

Hi! :)My opening statement is not misplaced. This is a community. I have been a member of Avsim since at least 1997 and I consider Avsim my e-home. I'm just as comfortable stating frustrations,  issues and  making occasional dumb comments  in this community as you apparently  are in providing 'drive by personality' assessments. :)  A review of my past post by even the most casual observer will find very few really 'serious' comments.   I respect your opinion and your well thought out replies,  but  honestly  saddened by your dulled sense of humor.   I assume either a cultural or language difference may be the reason, which I respect.  In any case,  I wish you  the very best for the new year.Bob.. :)

Seems like my "cultural or language difference" was just taken to a new level of superiority since I don't define organizations or forums which I'm a part of automatically as my community like you do, Bob. Well, if that was the outcome of your serious(?) post and thread placement, we at least have one thing to agree on.So greetings to your ego-sighted community, I prefer normal people instead (which luckily still seem to be present) and usually try to help them. Apologies if that interfered with your plans, as you weren't looking for help but someone to talk to. There's a Hangar Chat section on Avsim too, ever noticed?At least in my world, a community doesn't define members by their post count or membership period but by the things they do and say. So taking that sarcastic and insulting stuff from your last post into account .. well.Have a nice and hopefully entertaining new year too. The constructive tips and suggestions being made by users still remain readable here (e. g. taking gathered complains to the dev's forums), so there surely is something to study for you besides those manuals coming with the product you are complaining about. Enjoy!

BobP, thank you for the very helpful and amusing, OP. You have no idea how many times my 'Buy now' finger has hovered over the EZdok button. I tried the demo and was intimidated and put off by the high faff factor. Reading the responses here has convinced me forever, well at least until v2 comes out when I'll give it another look, to stay away from it.Oh and CoolP, _{lighten up.} :(

Well, speaking again as someone who was frustrated by EZCA (and as someone who's trying another approach to the initial discussion after a couple of go-arounds)... I find myself wondering if EZCA frustration isn't the result of people - myself included - trying to use it for something other than its intended purpose. As I understand it - and I could be wrong about this - EZCA was initially conceived as a video creator's tool, providing for lots of options and flexibility in camera placement and movement, and also, as a kind of side benefit, adding camera resonance effect to mimic shake and impact. So far so good. But then some of us who weren't video creators seized on the idea - mentioned by the developers, but not their main concern - that the shake and resonance could provide a sense of motion and turbulence when applied to the pilot's point of view. The result was that we could recapture the head latency effects that were once a part of FSX, but were dropped in one of the service packs. The trouble is that we went into it wanting nothing but turbulence - but were forced to wade through lots of technicalities about camera creation and placement. Seems unfair, except that THAT'S WHAT THE PRODUCT WAS ACTUALLY FOR! All the rest - including the difficulty, for both developer and users, of getting it to work with Track IR - was the result of this mission creep. Now, I'd love to have my turbulence, but I can't seem to get myself past the video engineering barriers. Maybe EZCA 2.0 will get us closer, maybe not. We'll have to see.It's exciting - but it's also got to be frustrating - when a product takes on a life of its own and goes in a direction nobody had originally intended.Sorry for the all caps above, by the way. Yes, I was shouting, but mainly at myself for not having realized this sooner.Hope this helps.

Seems like my "cultural or language difference" was just taken to a new level of superiority since I don't define organizations or forums which I'm a part of automatically as my community like you do, Bob. Well, if that was the outcome of your serious(?) post and thread placement, we at least have one thing to agree on.So greetings to your ego-sighted community, I prefer normal people instead (which luckily still seem to be present) and usually try to help them. Apologies if that interfered with your plans, as you weren't looking for help but someone to talk to. There's a Hangar Chat section on Avsim too, ever noticed?At least in my world, a community doesn't define members by their post count or membership period but by the things they do and say. So taking that sarcastic and insulting stuff from your last post into account .. well.Have a nice and hopefully entertaining new year too. The constructive tips and suggestions being made by users still remain readable here (e. g. taking gathered complains to the dev's forums), so there surely is something to study for you besides those manuals coming with the product you are complaining about. Enjoy!

This is way out of line. This IS a community and as long as the rules are followed, each is free to post as they wish. CoolP you really need to check out www.getasenseofhumor.laugh

This is way out of line. This IS a community and as long as the rules are followed, each is free to post as they wish. CoolP you really need to check out www.getasenseofhumor.laugh

I'm supposed to develop your type of humor because I don't freak out when using EZCA? Interesting way of thinking, indeed. Go ahead.I wasn't denying the fact that this is a community, I was just stating that it's not "his" or "mine". See the difference? Seems like my "cultural or language difference" distracts you too, doesn't it? And, St EX, ain't no problem with your posts at all from my side. As you may see, I even applauded to you as normal speaking fellow. I also recognized two more members to be constructive participators which arises from my humble opinion.Maybe the currently not so normal speaking ones could state their wishes on an upgraded EZCA UI more precise, because "easier" is a very vague description, even in my native language. This would add quite some sense to this very thread. So while you guys don't get tired of insisting on your strange type of humor, some work has to be done. Can you take it? I'm sure you do.

I'm supposed to develop your type of humor because I don't freak out when using EZCA? Interesting way of thinking, indeed. Go ahead.So while you guys don't get tired of insisting on your strange type of humor, some work has to be done. Can you take it? I'm sure you do.

I think Bob has a great sense of humour, certainly not strange. It is strange that you have hijacted this thread and would have been more prudent to remain an observer.I think most if not all who have read and responded to Bob's humourist post have seen what Bob intended, a comical reaction to a programe that would have NASA scratching there heads.We all come from different parts of the world, and sometimes humour can be mis understood. But not on this occasion.I would rather read a tounge n cheek post than for example "My Ezdok don't work " that get's my back up.To be blunt, if you find humour is not something you subscribe to, then maybe try avoiding such threads The day that a forum member cannot write what he thinks within the boundaries of the forum rules, and then get's censored by fellow posters because they don't share the author's humour, is the day I delete my membership. Something for you to ponder while you wait for the next off the cuff thread.

I'm sorry, I did what? Hijacked the thread? With my will to help and e. g. a suggestion to gather some more precise points on wishes towards this neat little program? Well, lets hope for some more hijackers around then. Nobody was censored too, so I really wonder which thread you are referring to.It doesn't help to read my posts, search for the most annoying sentence there and refer to it. The context gets lost then and if you take my last post for example (or the ones from the other helpful guys), you will find some constructive context while I'm just reading bash after bash now, regard my attitude on forums. Drop this stuff to my inbox, I will even read it, I promise. But you are currently filling this thread with pointless explanations of a strange community (yours?), your sight on humor, your sight on foreign guys but nothing on the actual "problem", a maybe not so intuitive UI from EZCA. I'm not the one who gets off topic here. I've expected some user with a need for help and got .. some users with a big, strange and very off topic view on their community (well, seems like another need for help though). Is it so hard for you guys to stay polite and describe issues with not offending words?So apart from stating that you are "funny" too, what's your input on e. g. EZCA or any improvements there? Sorry for asking, seems to be on topic for me.My suggestion (and nothing more) is repeated. If this thing can't be on topic, it's surely "off" and therefor I don't see the point in letting it go further and further into bashing waters.If there was or will be a problem with EZCA, feel free to open threads which describe your sight and point out some constructive suggestions. I was told that this it was adults normally do, in every country. Nobody will slow down your efforts on trying to be funny in the meantime. :(