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I'm running mac, but I use bootcamp for FSX. Now I plan to buy a new iMac, what do you think about this, NGX will work fine?

  • 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
  • 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
  • 1TB Serial ATA Drive
  • AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5

So, what do you think?Carl

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I'm running mac, but I use bootcamp for FSX. Now I plan to buy a new iMac, what do you think about this, NGX will work fine?
  • 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
  • 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
  • 1TB Serial ATA Drive
  • AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5

So, what do you think?Carl

Just curious, what's your existing iMac and how's your performance now?

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Just curious, what's your existing iMac and how's your performance now?
Today: 3.60 GHz Intel Core 2 DuoRAM: 4GB DDR3ATI Radeon HD 4670 256 MBMed default scenery and Maddog MD-80 I have about 12-15 FPS.What do you think, will it get much better with the new one?/Carl

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Today: 3.60 GHz Intel Core 2 DuoRAM: 4GB DDR3ATI Radeon HD 4670 256 MBMed default scenery and Maddog MD-80 I have about 12-15 FPS.What do you think, will it get much better with the new one?/Carl
Ryan would be best to comment, but you should do a bit better. It's my understanding and experience that FSX performance is all about processor and memory speed.

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Today: 3.60 GHz Intel Core 2 DuoRAM: 4GB DDR3ATI Radeon HD 4670 256 MBMed default scenery and Maddog MD-80 I have about 12-15 FPS.What do you think, will it get much better with the new one?/Carl
Probably not much better & possibly worse once you're in something as feature-rich as the NGX. As big a Mac fan as I am, you really should consider a PC for FSX. Running windows in a virtual PC doesn't help at all. At least I assume that's how boot camp works, I use parallels on my macbook.

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Bootcamp is not virtual machine, but you restart your computer to access the bootcamp, ie. to partition the drive. What are your tips for making my new iMac better? Batting%20Eyelashes.gif

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Ultimately, an NVIDIA card instead of an AMD. As best graphics card as you can get with your money on that one really.

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Not for crticism but I'think if you use your MAC for FSX and gaming you could buy a better PC for the price of that MAC or any other MAC.

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Bootcamp is not virtual machine, but you restart your computer to access the bootcamp, ie. to partition the drive. What are your tips for making my new iMac better? Batting%20Eyelashes.gif
Oh, OK. Mine runs both systems at the same time. In that case, you'll see a fair improvement, but probably not as good as a PC with same/similar specs.

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A PC with the same specs will perform identically. Boot Camp is nothing more than a tool that allows you to partition your hard drive, you are creating another partition. You then boot into the Windows install dvd just like you would on a PC, and install Windows onto that partition. When you turn on your computer, you select which OS to boot into. It is a multi-boot setup.

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I would advise against an iMac for FSX. I do love iMacs and have one myself, but those are just not the machines for flying with FSX. The key for a good running FSX with all the add-ons is the latest i7, 6GB of memory and a video card like the nVidia 580 (if you buy new hardware)... AND you want to overclock that i7 because it can be done without the risk of damage if the cooling is good. This will give you an excellent machine for FSX.However you just can't overclock an iMac to something relevant for FSX. That cooling is never going to provide a stable 4.5+ Ghz on the i7 2600K.I say keep your existing iMac for everything else than flying, and buy a custom-built PC for FSX for the money of the new iMac, you'll have the perfect solution.Cheers,Markus

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I think your ghey because you use mac. :( But those specs should run FSX pretty good, the i7 CPU is known to run FSX pretty good. :(

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Bad idea due to the overclocking - you'll be able to get the CPU up to 1.5+GHz higher than it'll run at in the iMac on a custom PC.

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Not for crticism but I'think if you use your MAC for FSX and gaming you could buy a better PC for the price of that MAC or any other MAC.
OH NO YOU DI'INT! :( :(

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Mac or not, the real key to FSX performance is a decent graphics card in conjunction with an overclocked i7 processor (3.9-4.0+ Ghz). My proc at stock 3.2 just doesn't cut it in add ons. For instance the PMDG JS41 really started to shine around heavy sceneries with max settings once I was overclocked and testing above 3.8GHz.That you're purchasing iMacs suggest that you are definitely not an overclocker... In that case, buy the most expensive system they offer and you'll see the same performance! :( I have nothing against Macs save for the price, I promise. Finally, obviously a notebook isn't going to run FSX well. It's all mobile technology which is severely anemic for such demanding programs. For instance the 6970"M" for "mobile". And the processor which will throttle considerably when it heats up. If FSX is important to you, take Markus's advice.

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But compared to my old, there well be a pretty good improvement, given i7 processor and 2GB of graphics memory?

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A stock I7 2600 / I5 2500 performs more or less like a 4GHz Nehalem (I5 7xx, I7 8xx, I7 9xx). Not bad at all for sure, but missing out on the 40% overclock is a shame.the 2GB of VRAM is a non factor. At large resolutions and high AA where lots of VRAM is used, the card is going to lack raw power anyway. That card and any other one.

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I've ordered the new Sandy Bridge iMac as well, but with the Quadcore i5 3,1 Ghz CPU. I plan to use it for FSX as well, and I guess it will be sufficient if you don't need to crank all sliders up... Apart from Flight Simulator, I don't have any other use for Windows, and I'm not buying a second PC just for FSX. And yes, BootCamp is native, no virtual machine required any more as Macs run on Intel processors now for a few years already.

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But compared to my old, there well be a pretty good improvement, given i7 processor and 2GB of graphics memory?
Simple answer, No.

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While away from my desktop rig I regularly use my Early 2011 i7 Mac Book Pro to develop the liveries for our NGX. The NGX runs just fine using 64bit Windows 7 via Boot Camp. The latest iMac is supposed to run 10% faster than my Mac Book Pro so I'd say, if you're going to buy the iMac anyway, running FSX should not be a problem. BTW, I'm also running UT2 and getting nice frame rates with I think about 80%+ traffic, and no, I'm not at liberty to discuss what that frame rate is that I'm getting ;-)Pete Mac PaintPMDG Graphic Designer

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There's an interesting article in this month's PCUser (Australian mag) about the PC v Mac divide.

"Only avid Apple fans would seriously recommend shelling out for a Mac, then either buying virtualisation software (and a copy of Windows) or mucking around with Apple's Boot Camp to dual boot with Windows when you can buy a cheaper PC with Windows bundled, which will run Windows apps - and especially games - without any fuss

On the other hand, just about every Windows user I know who has switched to Mac has never regretted it. The choice is yours. But please do us a favour: if you do make the switch to Mac, don't try to convince the rest of us that Macs are better value than PCs.
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There is also an issue with driver support will make your Windows install on the iMac run slower that it should. Some drivers are only obtainable through Apple. For running windows 7 on, let's say the Macbook Air your SSD rating and speed will be limited by Apple's drivers and the video and chipset drivers cannot use the part supplier's Windows 7 drivers. They will need to come from Apple, and those drivers are again not as good as the native ones for some reason. The iMac looks like premium hardware, but it might not be a premium FSX machine.I'd say avoid the hassle and headaches you will get and just spend the same money into a custom PC for FSX.

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There is also an issue with driver support will make your Windows install on the iMac run slower that it should. Some drivers are only obtainable through Apple. For running windows 7 on, let's say the Macbook Air your SSD rating and speed will be limited by Apple's drivers and the video and chipset drivers cannot use the part supplier's Windows 7 drivers. They will need to come from Apple, and those drivers are again not as good as the native ones for some reason. The iMac looks like premium hardware, but it might not be a premium FSX machine.I'd say avoid the hassle and headaches you will get and just spend the same money into a custom PC for FSX.
The drivers for the mobo chipset and resources aren't Apple's, they're Intel's - you can update the video, chipset, sound etc drivers just fine as long as you know what you actually have in the machine - I do it all the time with my Macbook's bootcamp partition.
Finally, obviously a notebook isn't going to run FSX well. It's all mobile technology which is severely anemic for such demanding programs. For instance the 6970"M" for "mobile". And the processor which will throttle considerably when it heats up. If FSX is important to you, take Markus's advice.
Pretty sure the iMac is essentially exactly the same hardware as the Macbook Pro. I don't think they have the desktop version of the i5/i7 - those are only in the Mac Pro. GPU is the same deal.A current iMac or MBP absolutely can run FSX decently - the question is really about whether that's the best use of how much those machines cost. (and I say it isn't)

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I'm currently looking at review of a PC built by a small company here in Oz: It's $AUD1,499For that you get an i5-2500K overclocked to 4.5GHz with an aftermarket cooler - the processor and mobo are included in the warranty, even with the ocGTX570MSI P67A-C43 B3 with 6Gbps SATA2 x 2TB Seagate HDD4GB 1333 RAM750W PSU23 inch widescreen monitorDigital TV tunerWireless networkingWin 7 HP 64-bitetc, etcI know that they're things of beauty and work right out of the box, but I just can't see the value in a Mac for someone like me who just wants a box that does MS Office, FSX and BFBC2jeff hunter

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Pretty sure the iMac is essentially exactly the same hardware as the Macbook Pro. I don't think they have the desktop version of the i5/i7 - those are only in the Mac Pro. GPU is the same deal.
I don't think they're using the mobile CPUs for the iMac, given the power consumption under load. But as you said, they do use mobile graphic cards, although the one in the largest model (6970M) should be sufficient for FSX. Heck, this GPU can run Crysis 2 very well, which is a completely different beast (graphics-wise).One problem is the very high resolution of the 27" display, probably you can't run FSX in native resolution with this GPU.
A current iMac or MBP absolutely can run FSX decently - the question is really about whether that's the best use of how much those machines cost. (and I say it isn't)
Oh no, certainly not. If you're buying a machine mostly for flight simulaton, don't get a Mac. For me it's the other way round, I need a Mac for iOS development and other things, and I need windows ONLY for FSX.Maybe I'll get a separate gaming rig later, but for now I don't want to invest that kind of money for FSX alone.I'll let you know how the iMac works in the coming weeks, I'll get it on Monday.

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