dont waste ur money on airsimmers airbus.if i where u i,d wait for qualitysims BAE 146.. that plane looks awesome. :)oh! forgot to mention... lately i,ve been flying the PA airbus 320 with VASFMC. latest version and it got both initb and prog page and estimated fuel working . and its free!! and i,ve had some great flights in it. one down side is,, no vc tho.. but hey ,, i can live with that cos it got a fully working fmc :PregardsSWERIB,

Hey, Are you a member of the tech support forum Gavin? Anyway I'm not here to get into arguments with anyone, I like to come to the Avsim forums to kick back relax and read about what's going on in the FS world.I posted here to try and give an honest unbiased view of the situation, as mentioned I have this aircraft operating CTD free and have been offering assistance to users on the tech forum for a while now, I was recently asked to come on board full time and have now had a chance to see the big picture from both sides.Yes it is being worked on and a plan to release the advanced version and updated basic is still top priority, all system logic is in place and coded (I now have access to the advanced) And in response to the person that said the aircraft is not accurate, apart from the missing INIT-B,full predictions and Ability to conduct ECAM actions all system and FBW logic from the FCOM is already in place in the basic.Regards

Hi RobNo I'm not a member of the tech support forum, nor am I trying to get into any arguments with anyone. By writing "Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying you aren't telling the truth, I'm just curious. If we were talking in real life, face to face, the tone of my voice and expression on my face would indicate 'interested surprise' - if you see my point? " I had rather hoped that I was clarifying that I was in no way in dispute with you, just curiously interested. I'm at a loss at how I can make it any clearer that I wasn't in any way in dispute with you - just asking you a simple friendly question. I'm sorry that you seem to have taken my post the wrong way, I had in no way intended to offend you.

Did I mention a (half empty) bottle of cold beer?

Zakochalem sie z Perla niepasterowany - though after a few (wlasnie wrocilem z pubu) my Polish spelling gets a bit hit and miss ;-)

A little off-topic Rob, but you should contact an AVSIM Staff to add "Commercial Member" to your Status, you're right now breaking the forum rules.regards,Igor

Hey Gavin,maybe my post came across the wrong way, I was under no impression you were trying to start an argument, discussions regarding this aircraft have known to become heated so I was trying to make it clear to anyone reading that I would rather avoid that.Igor, I don't own any part of Airsimmer or make Any profit from sales, I was a customer who would help out on the forums, they asked me to come onboard full time to assist with tech support and customer service.I will have a word with the site adminCheers

I've owned the Airsimmer since release, and I largely ignored it for nigh on a year (mainly due to mid flight CTDs) after that. However, since the 1.3 patch this aircraft has had a bit of a renaissance as far as my flight simming goes. I'm basically going to echo a lot of what Rafal and Flex have said so far. As of 1.3 this aircraft is very airworthy, but it still has a few issues. No more CTDs thankfully (for me, YMMV) the CFM version has nigh on perfect autoland capability (most importantly autothrust) the FBW is I feel the most convincingly modelled of any airbus addon (and this is the cruux really, flying an airbus should be a totally different experience to flying a boeing) the autotrim, flight envelope protections are perfect right now. It really is a joy to hand fly. I have an X52 set to max sensitivity with this bird; tiny inputs are all that is required in order to get good results on takeoff, cruise and even the most demanding of landings.It is a very complex add on. It was (I feel) somewhat arbitrarily neutered to make it a 'basic' version, but Managed and selected climbs and descents work perfectly for instance, as Flex mentioned you can fly in all 3 laws should you choose. As with any complex FS addon, a registered FSUIPC is essential, especially if you want to fly real world/REX/active sky etc so consider the extra cost, but thats the same as with any addon worth its money.Whats still screwed? Autopilot needs a lot of work This airbus banks very strangely as is. SIDS and STARS can go very screwy. Getting direct clearance is a nightmare. The IAE is troublesome, although on my system it does everything right until I try and land with autothrust. But thats a problem easily got around. Manual thrust!In conclusion, the Airsimmer is the only Airbus I would consider flying right now. The Aerosoft is great in its own way, but too basic really, the Wilco is aged and just plain odd (especially the FBW). That 30 day money back does actually work btw, so if you want a truly authentic Airbus experience i'd suggest going for it, registering at Airsimmer support forums and following the pinned advice topics (and a few unofficial ones) before making your mind up. Oh, and things are much improved in the way of actual hands on support these days.Cheers

Hey Gavin,maybe my post came across the wrong way, I was under no impression you were trying to start an argument, discussions regarding this aircraft have known to become heated so I was trying to make it clear to anyone reading that I would rather avoid that.Cheers

Hi RobThanks for that, glad we sorted it out. :( Best regards.

Hey Gavin,maybe my post came across the wrong way, I was under no impression you were trying to start an argument, discussions regarding this aircraft have known to become heated so I was trying to make it clear to anyone reading that I would rather avoid that.Igor, I don't own any part of Airsimmer or make Any profit from sales, I was a customer who would help out on the forums, they asked me to come onboard full time to assist with tech support and customer service.I will have a word with the site adminCheers

Hi Rob,Yeah I just wanted to warn you to avoid any "complications" to you here.I've been following you at Airsimmer forums for a long time and I know you're a very nice person and helped a lot of Airsimmer costumers way before you officialy joined them (congrats, btw!)best regards,Igor

I've owned the Airsimmer since release, and I largely ignored it for nigh on a year (mainly due to mid flight CTDs) after that. However, since the 1.3 patch this aircraft has had a bit of a renaissance as far as my flight simming goes. I'm basically going to echo a lot of what Rafal and Flex have said so far. As of 1.3 this aircraft is very airworthy, but it still has a few issues. No more CTDs thankfully (for me, YMMV) the CFM version has nigh on perfect autoland capability (most importantly autothrust) the FBW is I feel the most convincingly modelled of any airbus addon (and this is the cruux really, flying an airbus should be a totally different experience to flying a boeing) the autotrim, flight envelope protections are perfect right now. It really is a joy to hand fly. I have an X52 set to max sensitivity with this bird; tiny inputs are all that is required in order to get good results on takeoff, cruise and even the most demanding of landings.It is a very complex add on. It was (I feel) somewhat arbitrarily neutered to make it a 'basic' version, but Managed and selected climbs and descents work perfectly for instance, as Flex mentioned you can fly in all 3 laws should you choose. As with any complex FS addon, a registered FSUIPC is essential, especially if you want to fly real world/REX/active sky etc so consider the extra cost, but thats the same as with any addon worth its money.Whats still screwed? Autopilot needs a lot of work This airbus banks very strangely as is. SIDS and STARS can go very screwy. Getting direct clearance is a nightmare. The IAE is troublesome, although on my system it does everything right until I try and land with autothrust. But thats a problem easily got around. Manual thrust!In conclusion, the Airsimmer is the only Airbus I would consider flying right now. The Aerosoft is great in its own way, but too basic really, the Wilco is aged and just plain odd (especially the FBW). That 30 day money back does actually work btw, so if you want a truly authentic Airbus experience i'd suggest going for it, registering at Airsimmer support forums and following the pinned advice topics (and a few unofficial ones) before making your mind up. Oh, and things are much improved in the way of actual hands on support these days.Cheers

Interesting. Together with what Rafal wrote you are making think, 'just maybe' about this product. One question though, you mention that a registered version of FSUIPC is necessary. Why is that? Do you need to make very specific changes to fly this A320?Thanks in advance for any advice.

Interesting. Together with what Rafal wrote you are making think, 'just maybe' about this product. One question though, you mention that a registered version of FSUIPC is necessary. Why is that? Do you need to make very specific changes to fly this A320?

I was curious about this also, since it apparently doesn't use FSUIPC to configure control axes. I had also written this product off prior to reading this thread; now I'm not so sure.

Hi, Gavin and John!I am sure Rob will come here for a moment to explain better than me.But in the meantime let me add my three eurocents on the FSUIPC use.It is not recommended to assign and calibrate AS A320 controls via FSUIPC, thus the registered version of FSUIPC in not necessary.You should assign your controls via the MFS setup menu and (if necessary) callibrate them with their own software.But, on the other hand, it is not necessary (or recommended) to delete FSUIPC (someone was worried about it in another forum). We all know it is required for many addons.You can use it for other aircraft and just exclude control assignments for AS A320 (just check 'Aircraft specific' boxes in FSUIPC setups).What is more, the registered version of FSUIPC also is useful for AirSimmer's bus as it lets you smooth weather influence which might interfere with the plane's behaviour (not only this aircraft, by the way).

I had also written this product off prior to reading this thread; now I'm not so sure

Of course it must be your and only your decision, so all I can say is do not forget you can test it for 30 days and return it to Flight1 (getting your money back) if you think it is not for you. :(

Hi,As Rafal mentioned it is not necessary to have a reg version of FSUIPC however I have always thought it is a must have for any simmer flying complex aircaft. The wind smoothing function alone is worth the price.Regarding the flight controls, in order to realisticly simulate FBW within FS the developers coded the flight control computers (ELACS,SECS) in a similar fashion to the real thing. you make a sidestick input, this gets fed to the ELACS. The only way that will work is if you have your flight controls calibrated directly though FS9.A lot of complicated stuff is going on behind the scenes that should be transparent to the pilot (unless the aircraft dumps you in Alternate Law or worse) Here's a link to the control laws on the A320 http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbus_fltlaws.htmRegards

Rafal and RobThanks for clearing that up.

Rafal, Now that you are using an Airsimmer banner in your signature, does that mean you're going to do an around the world tour like you're doing for iFly? :(

does that mean you're going to do an around the world tour like you're doing for iFly?

Oh, Mike, you've got me! My iFly World Tour has stopped in Singapore initially due to the lack of spare time.But now, after I changed my yoke into a joy, and I am studying hard Airbus manuals and practising driving the A320.... you know... :blush:I must go to iFly/Screenshots forum and call the Tour open to anyone wishing to continue it.Thanks for reminding me.

Bob or Rafal, can you land with Auto-throttle on?