December 16, 201510 yr Just read through this old topic, this brought me back to some very good times flying (ATP) from JFK to O'Hare Intl. It was so immersive so intense. As others mentioned - I still got my charts left but sadly not the manual or disks. Still would love to try it out again
December 16, 201510 yr yes, this was my favorite 'serious" sim at the time. It's still a mistery as to what happened to AS3 that Aerosoft and Simon had planned to publish. At one point, Aerosoft dropped the project, and since then Simon has refused to talk about the status of AS3 on his web site www.nomissoft.com tony
December 16, 201510 yr Yes I hope one day perhaps to hear from Simon according to future plans with AS3 - I'm not convinced we will see it in the nearest future though!
December 16, 201510 yr Just read through this old topic, this brought me back to some very good times flying (ATP) from JFK to O'Hare Intl. It was so immersive so intense. As others mentioned - I still got my charts left but sadly not the manual or disks. Still would love to try it out again Ah yes the sim that almost wasn't, and almost put SubLogic out of business (At the time) Right before the initial release Bruce Artwick left SubLogic and took FS with him, though Sublogic still owned the trademark to Flight Simulator. Microsoft using their legal muscle put a restraining order on SubLogic from releasing ATP, claiming copyright infringement. After a lot of legal wrangling they finally agreed to let SubLogic release ATP, in return of SubLogic giving up the rights to the TM of Flight Simulator. MS went on publishing FS, while Sublogic released the much awaited ATP. Then went on to make their own GA sim called Flight and the USA scenery packs (Which was also compatible with ATP) Flight was generally considered a failure which led to SubLogic demise and takeover by Sierra. In which we got ProPilot and ProPilot II. both was very good sims, and was the first to use mesh for elevation, getting away from Mountains being represented as Polygons. Which led to a competitor sim called FLY (and FLY II)from a company called TRI, which finally forced MS to develop their own Mesh based sim which resulted in FS2000, which all later versions of FS including FSX/P3D has it's roots. Thanks Tom My Youtube Videos! http://www.youtube.com/user/tf51d
December 17, 201510 yr Thanks, Tom! I bought and enjoyed all of those sims, so it was great to read the history of how each one affected the other. I recall the MS vs subLOGIC issue, but I wasn't aware of the relationship between ProPilot I/II and MSFS concerning mesh. Very cool. Joel Murray @ CYVR (actually, somewhere about halfway between CYNJ and CZBB)
December 17, 201510 yr Ah yes the sim that almost wasn't, and almost put SubLogic out of business (At the time) Right before the initial release Bruce Artwick left SubLogic and took FS with him, though Sublogic still owned the trademark to Flight Simulator. Microsoft using their legal muscle put a restraining order on SubLogic from releasing ATP, claiming copyright infringement. After a lot of legal wrangling they finally agreed to let SubLogic release ATP, in return of SubLogic giving up the rights to the TM of Flight Simulator. MS went on publishing FS, while Sublogic released the much awaited ATP. Then went on to make their own GA sim called Flight and the USA scenery packs (Which was also compatible with ATP) Flight was generally considered a failure which led to SubLogic demise and takeover by Sierra. In which we got ProPilot and ProPilot II. both was very good sims, and was the first to use mesh for elevation, getting away from Mountains being represented as Polygons. Which led to a competitor sim called FLY (and FLY II)from a company called TRI, which finally forced MS to develop their own Mesh based sim which resulted in FS2000, which all later versions of FS including FSX/P3D has it's roots. Yes I agree - a very good explanation. I have read a little about it.
December 17, 201510 yr Wow blast from the past yep I sure remember this sim this is the sim that got me hook on Las Vegas as soon as I had the expansion pack I was in love I agree I feel really old especially when you mention CompuServe those were the days. JetLine Systems Gravity GT2-Windows 10 Home Edition (64-Bit), NZXT H500 Mid-Tower, Black, Gigabyte Aorus Z390 PRO WIFI, LGA 1151, Intel 9th Gen Core i9 9900K (5.0GHz Turbo) 8 Core / 16 Thread, Corsair Hydro H60 120mm Liquid Cooling, 32GB Corsair DDR4 SDRAM 3000MHz RGB, 12GB Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070, GDDR6, 750 Watt Corsair RM Series Power Supply, 5.1 Channel Realtek Integrated HD Audio, Primary SSD Drive:1TB Samsung 970 EVO, M.2 NVMe PCIe (SSD), Secondary SSD Drive:2TB Samsung 970 EVO, M.2 NVMe PCIe (SSD) 4TB WD Black 7200 RPM Mechanical , SimOn Solutions 737 Professional Compact Trainer (MIP, OH). CFY 737 Max Motorized TQ Gold V3, MSFS2024, ProSim 737. 2 45" Samsung 4K TV.
December 17, 201510 yr Add me to the list... There I was, flying my 737 with ATC, clear across the USA, with wonderful paper maps to boot. I vividly recall first reading the manual cover to cover, twice.. before taking off :smile: Bert
December 18, 201510 yr Moderator I still have the ATC manual and paper charts myself. The rest of the package and disks were lost in transit years ago. I still have the "Pro Pilot" manual as well. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
December 18, 201510 yr Go here for history and downloads of ATP with extras: http://mujweb.cz/havlikjosef/fshistoryenglish.htm
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