Just saw over at SimFlight.com that FS2Crew has an audio course available for the 737NG at a very reasonable price. Seems like a good alternative for the asking price. Five hours of audio and poster illustrations of all the panels. I would post a link but not sure if that's permitted. This is not in any way putting down the AoA courses as I'm sure they are going to be extremely well done and worth the price.SteveEDIT: Just went back to read more and noticed it was called FS2CREW "2010" - 737NG AUDIO GROUND SCHOOLso maybe this is old news? In any case it's on sale if anyone is interested.

I have FS2Crew's 737NG Training and it is great, but it does not replace the AoA NGX Training.This is made to select information on one or two systems while you are in the NGX, in order to get a detailed explaination of that particular system. It would be difficult to listen to the whole course in a sitting.Angle of Attack NGX Training is a complete Audio and Visual learning experience that will eventually have flights to take part in and get hands-on training.What FS2Crew has put together is a perfect addon for the AoA Training and gives a different and unique approach to the topics.When you click on a system lesson, you will hear an audio explaination of that system along with the QRH and MEL references. The explaination is limited to just that one system. You also have a high resolution cockpit chart that you can follow along or you can have the NGX cockpit up and running while you are listening.The explainations go in the order of the cockpit flows, so it is easy to find the buttons dials and knobs that are being explained.Angle of Attack NGX Training will cover both the FCOM and the maintenance manuals within their lessons and each lesson covers many related systems, like the complete Fire and Warning system or the complete Lighting System, while FS2Crew's 737NG Training will cover just one light in a lesson, like the PSEU warning light.If you can, you will want to have both.Bob

Just saw over at SimFlight.com that FS2Crew has an audio course available for the 737NG at a very reasonable price. Seems like a good alternative for the asking price. Five hours of audio and poster illustrations of all the panels. I would post a link but not sure if that's permitted. This is not in any way putting down the AoA courses as I'm sure they are going to be extremely well done and worth the price.SteveEDIT: Just went back to read more and noticed it was called FS2CREW "2010" - 737NG AUDIO GROUND SCHOOLso maybe this is old news? In any case it's on sale if anyone is interested.

Steve, the '2010' thing can be disregarded. I'm not sure why Simmarket put that on.AoA products and the 737 Audio Ground School are very, very different products.They're not competing products and one doesn't replace the other; in fact, as Bob suggested, you can use them together.The 737 Audio Ground School is essentially a 'Light and Switch" guide. But instead of "reading" the info on a screen, you have a real-world 737 Captain essentially giving you an audio lecture for each light and switch.It was designed to serve as a very low-cost "get the info you need quick" kind of Training Program.I actually designed it initially as a training aid for real-world pilots who want an inexpensive way to help brush up their 737 knowledge in prep for a 737 type rating program.But since a lot of flight simmers love this kind of stuff, I decided to also market it to the flightsim community, too.Hope that helps clarify.Cheers,

Ahh....OK, thanks Bob and Bryan. So instead of an "alternative" we should consider it as "in addition to" AoAs offering. One thing I like though is the fact that it is available now where AoA will be coming out over a period of months as I understand. Maybe I can view this as a primer for the AoA course.

As far as I know the AoA course doesn't exist. It is an apparition. A mirage, phantom, specter - a figment one might say. At least now the AoA site has had a disclaimer added to that effect (note, a disclaimer, not an admission, warning, helpful snippet of information or advice, but a disclaimer, disclaiming responsibility for the incompleteness of the product). Be careful to ascertain if anyone promoting or recommending it here or elsewhere is associated with AoA or has a financial interest in doing so. I suspect PMDG are concerned, perhaps quietly so, to have associated themselves with this, since the product is being sold but to a substantial degree does not exist. PMDG themselves seem to me to have an excellent customer service ethic and produce products that are well worth the money in my experience, so it was a surprise to me to be so disappointed by something they recommend (I believe at the end of the introduction to the NGX pdf if I remember rightly).Others may wish to correct me, if there's any correcting to be done, since I cancelled my purchase about 2 months or so back, so perhaps in that time AoA has miraculously increased their output of videos to the extent that there is something there that might be called a course, but as far as I'm aware there is still less than 2 hours of 737NGX training material on the site, covering only the lighting and the fire systems, and new content is being created at a rate of a few, or perhaps a few tens of minutes per month. It seems it will take years for there to be a complete training course that someone new to the 737 could follow to learn from scratch how to operate the 737NGX in a reasonably competent and realistic manner.I got my money back because they wouldn't even tell people who had paid for it when the videos would be released, or indeed give even a vague indication of that. I believe that pressure from numerous customers eventually convinced them to do so since they kept releasing long, self serving chats where they would tell each other how great they were and how fantastic their training would be when (if?) it's produced, presumably in an attempt to be seen to be "updating" customers. There was a lot of that sort of material if that's what you're looking for, some might say however that time might have been better spent producing the product that people had paid for. Hopefully for the sake of other customers things have changed, the quality of videos was good, but there were about 2 of them, so provided the quality stays that good it'll probably be worth buying in 2 years or more once it's fleshed out to a reasonable extent.I'd advise anyone considering it to be very careful. I do feel it's only fair to state that they did refund my money without quibble, however under the circumstances that was really the least that could be expected.

I have just purchased Audio Ground School and i find it a really helpfull tool. Its very handy for people like me because i find i often loose some of what i have read previously because i tend to do my reading when i am not at my computer, rather sitting relaxing in the familly room. Then by the time i get back to my PC and fire up my NGX, there's a couple of switches or knobs i forgot. However, if as FSXman said, you can have this tool talking to you while you are in the cockpit so to speak, it just seems to sink in a little better for me. exellent way of stimulating a not as good as it was memory, a common problem usually starting around the same time as you get your membership in the "Old Farts Club"

As far as I know the AoA course doesn't exist. It is an apparition. A mirage, phantom, specter - a figment one might say. At least now the AoA site has had a disclaimer added to that effect (note, a disclaimer, not an admission, warning, helpful snippet of information or advice, but a disclaimer, disclaiming responsibility for the incompleteness of the product). Be careful to ascertain if anyone promoting or recommending it here or elsewhere is associated with AoA or has a financial interest in doing so. I suspect PMDG are concerned, perhaps quietly so, to have associated themselves with this, since the product is being sold but to a substantial degree does not exist. PMDG themselves seem to me to have an excellent customer service ethic and produce products that are well worth the money in my experience, so it was a surprise to me to be so disappointed by something they recommend (I believe at the end of the introduction to the NGX pdf if I remember rightly).Others may wish to correct me, if there's any correcting to be done, since I cancelled my purchase about 2 months or so back, so perhaps in that time AoA has miraculously increased their output of videos to the extent that there is something there that might be called a course, but as far as I'm aware there is still less than 2 hours of 737NGX training material on the site, covering only the lighting and the fire systems, and new content is being created at a rate of a few, or perhaps a few tens of minutes per month. It seems it will take years for there to be a complete training course that someone new to the 737 could follow to learn from scratch how to operate the 737NGX in a reasonably competent and realistic manner.I got my money back because they wouldn't even tell people who had paid for it when the videos would be released, or indeed give even a vague indication of that. I believe that pressure from numerous customers eventually convinced them to do so since they kept releasing long, self serving chats where they would tell each other how great they were and how fantastic their training would be when (if?) it's produced, presumably in an attempt to be seen to be "updating" customers. There was a lot of that sort of material if that's what you're looking for, some might say however that time might have been better spent producing the product that people had paid for. Hopefully for the sake of other customers things have changed, the quality of videos was good, but there were about 2 of them, so provided the quality stays that good it'll probably be worth buying in 2 years or more once it's fleshed out to a reasonable extent.I'd advise anyone considering it to be very careful. I do feel it's only fair to state that they did refund my money without quibble, however under the circumstances that was really the least that could be expected.

Hi there was a disclaimer when it first came out if you had read it before you purchased it and just a reminder to sign your name as per forum rules

As far as I know the AoA course doesn't exist. It is an apparition. A mirage, phantom, specter - a figment one might say. At least now the AoA site has had a disclaimer added to that effect (note, a disclaimer, not an admission, warning, helpful snippet of information or advice, but a disclaimer, disclaiming responsibility for the incompleteness of the product). Be careful to ascertain if anyone promoting or recommending it here or elsewhere is associated with AoA or has a financial interest in doing so. I suspect PMDG are concerned, perhaps quietly so, to have associated themselves with this, since the product is being sold but to a substantial degree does not exist. PMDG themselves seem to me to have an excellent customer service ethic and produce products that are well worth the money in my experience, so it was a surprise to me to be so disappointed by something they recommend (I believe at the end of the introduction to the NGX pdf if I remember rightly).Others may wish to correct me, if there's any correcting to be done, since I cancelled my purchase about 2 months or so back, so perhaps in that time AoA has miraculously increased their output of videos to the extent that there is something there that might be called a course, but as far as I'm aware there is still less than 2 hours of 737NGX training material on the site, covering only the lighting and the fire systems, and new content is being created at a rate of a few, or perhaps a few tens of minutes per month. It seems it will take years for there to be a complete training course that someone new to the 737 could follow to learn from scratch how to operate the 737NGX in a reasonably competent and realistic manner.I got my money back because they wouldn't even tell people who had paid for it when the videos would be released, or indeed give even a vague indication of that. I believe that pressure from numerous customers eventually convinced them to do so since they kept releasing long, self serving chats where they would tell each other how great they were and how fantastic their training would be when (if?) it's produced, presumably in an attempt to be seen to be "updating" customers. There was a lot of that sort of material if that's what you're looking for, some might say however that time might have been better spent producing the product that people had paid for. Hopefully for the sake of other customers things have changed, the quality of videos was good, but there were about 2 of them, so provided the quality stays that good it'll probably be worth buying in 2 years or more once it's fleshed out to a reasonable extent.I'd advise anyone considering it to be very careful. I do feel it's only fair to state that they did refund my money without quibble, however under the circumstances that was really the least that could be expected.

Depends how you weigh up the money vs your patience really. The videos produced so far are well done and very indepth, however I have to agree with your sentament about the rate of video production. They really should have developed an idea of how long it was going to take before accepting peoples money.It certainly irritates me that it's taking so long, but only because I like what they've done so far and want the rest - I don't care so much about the money because I can see they have/will earn(t) it.

The most ridiculous parts are those sound files they publish at their site on which they talk more than an hour about things that should be done, as fire prevention, temperature and oxygen systems and other very important items simmers should be aware. At this pace, I calculate some 6 or more years to cover the whole NGX.I agree that their work (when done) has a high quality degree, but the way they do is kind of strange to me. I 've never thought about pre-paying for a so slow project - I couldn't imagine a thing like that.Next FS gadget to purchase: a nice USB fire extiguisher!!!Regards,

Hi there was a disclaimer when it first came out if you had read it before you purchased it and just a reminder to sign your name as per forum rules

Hi,No, there wasn't, at least not in the current form.If you google "disclaimer site:www.flyaoamedia.com" on page 2 of the search results you can see a snippet under the link where someone else who got a refund says;"The disclaimer that is there now wasn´t when i bought their product, that is what i don´t like. And thats why i am asking for a refund"If you go to the linked page on google (the AoA members wall page), which is dated 9th July 2011 in the Google search results, and load more comments to go back 7+ months to ensure you cover back as far as 9th July you will also notice that you can't find the word disclaimer or the rest of this comment anywhere there, so it must have been cached by google and subsequently deleted from the site. However, July 9th is before the 737NGX release date and presumably that means when I brought it there was some form of disclaimer, if I recall correctly much more carefully worded to suggest there was a sizeable amount of content inside. It changed while I was a member, that I do remember.It may also interest others to know that if you google "boristhespider site:flyaoamedia.com" none of my own complaints on the wall or other pages on their site show up, suggesting they too may have been deleted from the site. If you look at the wall, pick some random usernames of other people on there, and google their username restricting site: to flyaoamedia.com you'll see results, so their site is regularly indexed and it seems other posts are searchable in this way.Also, their sales page at http://www.flyaoamedia.com/products-2/ says;"The PMDG 737 NGX from PMDG is the latest and greatest in virtual airliners. Our training for this aircraft is the most in depth and comprehensive training we’ve done to date. If you want to immerse yourself in 737 proficiency, look no further." What is "in depth" or "comprehensive" about one hour of videos? In what sense have they "done" the training?The sales page at http://www.flyaoamed...7-ngx-training/ calls the product "Complete video training" - it isn't complete, it doesn't exist.It also, at the bottom, states that groundwork is "45 hours of video training" and flightwork an additional "33 hours of video training". Again, this doesn't exist.Paul

It also, at the bottom, states that groundwork is "45 hours of video training" and flightwork an additional "33 hours of video training". Again, this doesn't exist.Paul

Santa Claus doesn't exist but I still get a stocking full of prezzies on xmas day

Hi,No, there wasn't, at least not in the current form.If you google "disclaimer site:www.flyaoamedia.com" on page 2 of the search results you can see a snippet under the link where someone else who got a refund says;"The disclaimer that is there now wasn´t when i bought their product, that is what i don´t like. And thats why i am asking for a refund"If you go to the linked page on google (the AoA members wall page), which is dated 9th July 2011 in the Google search results, and load more comments to go back 7+ months to ensure you cover back as far as 9th July you will also notice that you can't find the word disclaimer or the rest of this comment anywhere there, so it must have been cached by google and subsequently deleted from the site. However, July 9th is before the 737NGX release date and presumably that means when I brought it there was some form of disclaimer, if I recall correctly much more carefully worded to suggest there was a sizeable amount of content inside. It changed while I was a member, that I do remember.It may also interest others to know that if you google "boristhespider site:flyaoamedia.com" none of my own complaints on the wall or other pages on their site show up, suggesting they too may have been deleted from the site. If you look at the wall, pick some random usernames of other people on there, and google their username restricting site: to flyaoamedia.com you'll see results, so their site is regularly indexed and it seems other posts are searchable in this way.Also, their sales page at http://www.flyaoamedia.com/products-2/ says;"The PMDG 737 NGX from PMDG is the latest and greatest in virtual airliners. Our training for this aircraft is the most in depth and comprehensive training we’ve done to date. If you want to immerse yourself in 737 proficiency, look no further." What is "in depth" or "comprehensive" about one hour of videos? In what sense have they "done" the training?The sales page at http://www.flyaoamed...7-ngx-training/ calls the product "Complete video training" - it isn't complete, it doesn't exist.It also, at the bottom, states that groundwork is "45 hours of video training" and flightwork an additional "33 hours of video training". Again, this doesn't exist.Paul

I bought the product when it first came out and the disclaimer was there since i read it and was deciding to purchase it or not which i did. so u mite have missed it.

While I have not bought the product (and, with all respect, dont intend to), I have been fully aware that the product will be delivered progressively. It is my feeling that you have been under a rock or something.

I'm pretty sure most of us knew several months ago (way before release) that it wouldn't be available immediately. It certainly wasn't kept secret or undisclosed. The pmdg team and chris & nick from aoa were pretty open that they wouldn't have much material at the start. In the meantime, even though they're still not up to their video a week goal, production is still speeding up from one installment to the next.

I don't know the extent of detail in the 737NGX package but i do have the MD-11 package and i can imagine there must be a huge amount of time involved in puting together something like this, so considering the complexity of the NGX and that it was only released last August, i'm not suprised we're still waiting.They really put out an amazing product you know.Regards,