You are absolutely right!Have a great day!

You too !

"I'm curious, what aircraft are you rated on...... ". So I understand you correctly GoranM, your opinion is if someone doesn't claim to be rated their statements have no validity?In the past few days I posted two questions on XP10. One involving the autopilot and another the rudder. You provided no constructive help on either one. Zero! Probably since I failed to state I was a rated pilot with X thousands of hours. And, I almost forgot, that I own an aircraft too.If your are connected with XP or a spokesmans for the product, could you please spend some of you time here helping. In my opinion, your exchanges here are reflecting negatively on XP.

"I'm curious, what aircraft are you rated on...... ". So I understand you correctly GoranM, your opinion is if someone doesn't claim to be rated their statements have no validity?

No.

In the past few days I posted two questions on XP10. One involving the autopilot and another the rudder. You provided no constructive help on either one. Zero! Probably since I failed to state I was a rated pilot with X thousands of hours. And, I almost forgot, that I own an aircraft too.

I don't comment on matters I'm not sure about. I'm sorry you feel I am obliged to help you, but I only help when I have time or if someone doesn't post before I do. I do have a life outside of X Plane. I do not work for Laminar. I am just a payware developer who is very busy with current projects.

If your are connected with XP or a spokesmans for the product, could you please spend some of you time here helping. In my opinion, your exchanges here are reflecting negatively on XP.

Are you serious? Are you suggesting I haven't helped? Walt. Have a search through these very forums before you post statements like this one. I have skyped with at least a dozen people who were having problems with their XP10 set up. I have emailed back and forth with people who don't have Skype. I have PM'ed with people who prefer to keep it to PM. I have taken hours out of each day helping various people get XP10 up and running and succeeded in most cases...both in these forums and in private. I think it's safe to say I have helped more than enough.It's comments like your last one, coupled with the other negative comments from certain people that have finally made me decide to withdraw any future help.Thank you for helping me make up my mind.I was actually feeling very conflicted about it.

The same people that are dishing XPX are also looking for help with this or that. Don't expect XPlane users to read negative comments and then turn around and help you with something.First there's a manual, then there's the Demo, you need to put some time (real time) in to learn what's what. I'm sure you did this the first time you bought a different sim.

Yes, X-plane demands a lot of forgiveness/tolernace from the user. It is an untamable wild horse. You either enjoy the ride it offers or not. The attitude and the tantrums have muted somewhat over the past couple of years or so but it still is a wild horse.Don't fall for the current hype of the "plausible"; back at the introduction of v6 it was "leapfrog" MS FS. These words get used often enough are nothing but spin on exagerrating what's in and distracting from what it's lacking.Always keep in mind, mere words to hype a product - it is and will remain a wild horse. The choice to ride and accept what it entails and/or ensues is entirely yours !

Honestly, I'm getting tired of these gross exaggerations. The way some of you guys make it sound (and you're not the only one), X-Plane 10 is a barely functioning mess that's hard to operate and will fight the user every step of the way, but frankly, it's nothing like you imply. I'm a long-time Microsoft Flight Simulator user and first time X-Plane customer, and I've been happy with what I've seen so far. The interface is different but logical and easy enough to get around once you learn it (I like that everything is out in the open instead of layered by "simple" and "advanced" menus), and the software runs great if you take the time to tweak your rendering options (remember, start with everything on low and move one slider at a time to find out where your performance killers are). As far as functionality is concerned, everything works as expected, and there are no significant or game-breaking bugs.There are some shortcomings, yes, but bearing in mind that XP10 remains a work in progress I think those shortcomings are easily tolerated and outweighed by XP10's strengths. A lot of people have said that Microsoft would be slammed if they released a flight simulator program in this state, but I'll simply point out that the XP10 demo received twice as many patches as FSX did during its entire run, and the folks at Laminar are just getting started.

[snip] I have taken hours out of each day helping various people get XP10 up and running and succeeded in most cases...both in these forums and in private. I think it's safe to say I have helped more than enough.It's comments like your last one, coupled with the other negative comments from certain people that have finally made me decide to withdraw any future help.Thank you for helping me make up my mind.I was actually feeling very conflicted about it.

Well said Goran! Agree totally. I was actually quite surprised that you bothered to answer as many posters as you did given the constant barrage of non constructive criticism from just a certain few.

Just depends on the kind of piloting you do. If you are into heavy iron, button pushing, and watching ai traffic at major airports xplane probably won't do it for you.If you are a vfr only pilot-flying over urban cities will have few landmarks for you-but get away from cities and you will do great.If you are an ifr pilot-the rw weather in xplane blows everything away.If you are into taking off and landing a non autopilot heavy iron aircaft-e.g. GA aircraft you won't find a better experience anywhere else.If you don't like blurries and stutters you will be in heaven.If you like system failures in an unpredictable way-you will be very happy....and if you are someone who likes to fly at night you will be amazed beyond belief!I am glad like in the 1990's we seem to be going into a period of a release of many sims-true none of them is the "ultimate" as always has been the case but it sure nice to have choice, and different focus.

This is the best answer and it puts everything into perspective. If what Geofa has just outlined is important to you, then XPX is the simulator of choice.

This thread was cruising along pretty good with nice, well written posts till Goran went on the defensive.....doing so because m_av expressed his opinion; however, he didn't say it was his opinion until after Goran call him out. The biggest problem with these threads..and why I don't bother to say much anymore...is simple poor communication, over and over and over. Perhaps it is because it is difficult for someone to type what they really need to say...or perhaps they don't know how to say it, or perhaps too immature to say it (emotional responses). There is a big difference between"X-Plane sucks" and"I think X-Plane sucks"Say one thing and watch folks jump down your throat.....say the other and watch people respond with "Ok...but not me" Another case in point...Kevin's original post (which was excellent for the most part) states,"X-Plane's flight model is unstable"That statement implies that he understands the underlying code base and fundamental equations and assumptions used to model flight within xplane...and I know for a fact he has no idea because Austin doesn't give that stuff out. So you don't say the flight model is unstable...you say something like:"The planes I have flow don't come across as realistic to me" or "This plane behaves thusly under condition A insim when in reality it does not" Those are statement you can prove in court. People are pretty sensitive to single words.If you think a simple choice of words doesn't matter..then just stand by and watch the fireworks when someone makes a "definitive" statement when in reality, they're only expressing their opinion. If you say, "well they should know...it's obvious"...then I say one has a lot to learn about human behavior. You must KNOW what you mean and articulate it well....and these forums are unforgiving and you can't slip up. Kevin's initial post was great....BUT he slipped up with the stability sentence there. Why do I say so?I'm an engineer....took lots of classes in calculus and differential equations and numerical methods. These are but tools to model a system. You make assumptions and you those assumptions are reflected in your equations. If something isn't adequate, you put in "corrections". You can make slight alterations and get to the same result. 1 X 12 = 12....but so is 6 x 2 and 3 x 4. If I'm trying to match a specific performance parameter of an aircraft, I can do it in xplane, no problem. Is it easier or more difficult than FSX? I don't know, but in both cases, both sims provide a mechanism for "modeling" and you must understand the tools to shape them to your will. Now you also need to respect that people think differently and what one person may see as "inadequate or quirky" tools another will see as "flexible and robust". So I won't accept any arguments that "x-plane tools SHOULD be this way"...because i like the way it is. Austin is an engineer and what he does makes sense to the brain I was born with. I get it. OK....enough of that. My point here is that we are all simmers. We know what mountains looks like, we know what a cloud looks like...we know what a city looks like and we know factually when what we see on screen doesn't match up with reality; however, what we DON'T know is why or how each of us likes what we like. We call into question what other people get out of the sim and that's just plain crazy. Kevin mentioned he loved "heavy iron" back in 1986. Just how accurate do you think flight simming was back in 1986? Just how plausible do you think the graphics or systems simulation back then was? I'd be willing to bet my house that it's nowhere near where it is today yet he loved it! That simple statement there illustrates the relativity of the experience...and why you can not argue that what you do or don't like should be something that someone else should or should not like. Want real cities...xplane aint' it yet. Want fluidity and IFR...can't beat xplane IMO. What do you want? who knows.....but don't assume it's what everybody wants. What You CAN do however....is say (type)"In my opinion" or "I like" and when you do, you won't get near as much heat because you are all indeed entitled to your opinions. These flame wars do not start with ######...they start with inadequate communication. Try typing those words in your next statement and If nothing else, the conversations will probably be more civil....seriously, think about what you are really saying and give it a try.All that being said...here's some statements and comments from me that show I fully understand what many FSX guys are saying, even if they can't say it worth a flip."The cities are plausible"....to me they are, but I'm an IFR guy and don't care about the cities, I know other people do though, perhaps they should stay with FSX."The airports are empty"....yes they are, I'm going to work on that to the best of my ability."The flight model in xplane is not bad". It's up to the aircraft author to make a good model, xplane provides sufficient tools.and finally....an example of a communicative dialogue that demonstrates what goes wrong here all so often."Plane X handles poorly". in your opinion? If so, I can buy that. "Numbers don't match up "....what numbers? "Numbers don't match up in cruise at elevation y with power setting x, baro pressure z, temperature q"....Ok, that I can buy....good sentence...don't want to type that much? Get ready for ###### response.Learn to type folks. Learn to say what you mean. Learn to clarify and articulate and we will see much less "######" behavior.Anyone ever see the movie 'Phenomenon' with John Travolta? Anybody know the scene I'm thinking of? check it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfyTSjsBSXQ-Tom Kylerxp10 sceneryxp10 aircraftacknowledger of shortcomings in xplane and doer of all I can to keep making it betterEDIT: Just got this from the above post:

then XPX is the simulator of choice.

How about:"XPX is the simulator of choice for me"

EDIT: Just got this from the above post:How about:"XPX is the simulator of choice for me"

As much as I want to agree with you Tom, you need to take the full sentence into account.

I'm curious, what aircraft are you rated on...

That argument has never and will never be a valid approach to a discussion of a flight simulator. Ever.I've been in Level-D sims, FS, AATDs, real aircraft... all of it. One thing I've learned... real world experience will never, ever translate to a 'good judgement' of a sim's flight dynamics. As one pilot put it to me... I may not know what's "right"... but I definitely notice when something's "wrong".As for the OP's post... it's constructive criticism. It points out what they see as strengths and weaknesses. Simply because it is not something the 'XP-fans' want to hear doesn't mean it's not constructive.I suggest that you learn to tone down your responses as they are becoming extremely agressive and as a commercial developer I can assure you that's inappropriate in the AVSIM forums for a commercial developer.Not one single person has posted a lie about X-Plane, and as such it is completely wrong to denegrate them in the manner you are doing.X-Plane is a fine flight simulator. FS is a fine flight simulator. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither is truly superior over the other. As one who develops for simulators, I can guarantee that neither is superior. We could go into an extremely detailed and technical discussion as to the why's and wherefor's... but it would make most people collapse from boredom.I keep hearing that XPlane is a 'work in progress'. For $80, it is fairly logical that most customers of FS9/X would expect XPlane to at least meet the same level of product 'completeness' as FS9/X offers 'out of the box'. It does not, and thus you get people posting as such. Microsoft gets ripped in a major way for minor things... the way Laminar Research has been treated in this forum thus far is far, far more polite and considerate by comparison.So, how about you tone your attitude down and show a little bit of appreciation for the fact that people at AVSIM are even interested in XPlane to begin with. I for one am seriously tired of watching the repeated attacks on AVSIM members by yourself and a few others.

So Tom, now we have to be computer programmers, English language professionsals, professional writers, and word everything 100% correctly in order to voice an opinion about anything? Too bad some of you don't want to read and truly understand what others are saying.Maybe I can suggest some reading comprehension classes?

As much as I want to agree with you Tom, you need to take the full sentence into account.

Very right....sorry....just using it as an example to illustrate a point, not call you on the floor specifically...was just convenient at the time. I apologize for any insinuation as to communicative ability. I did word it poorly and got called on it.

So Tom, now we have to be computer programmers, English language professionsals, professional writers, and word everything 100% correctly in order to voice an opinion about anything? Too bad some of you don't want to read and truly understand what others are saying.

I did not say you "had" to do it as you suggest with your wording. I simply said that if you don't, get ready for ###### behavior. And all you have to do to voice an opinion is say that it's your opinion. Otherwise, you're not giving your opinion, you're making a statement...and too bad some of you don't want to (or can't ) write.

Maybe I can suggest some reading comprehension classes?

As evidenced above, apparently that would be good.

Here you are:http://www.readingrockets.org/article/3479http://www.hishelpinschool.com/reading/ways.htmlhttp://www.busyteacherscafe.com/literacy/comprehension_strategies.html

I'm not going to read those Jim...anymore than you did in the 2 minutes it took you to hunt down the links. I had my Saturday morning on the avsim, time to move on to other stuff.

You really should, as it might improve your reading comprehension.