I feel the same. Unless the simulator aspects are expanded/improved, I probably won't be purchasing the Alaska Pack or any other DLC. Up until a week ago, Flight has been getting most of my flightsim time (since early Jan) . . . now I'm back using FSX as my preferred flightsim.There's a lot that I like about Flight, but currently too many simulator aspects are not present, which makes Flight frustrating for me.

Same for me here.I must admit for the first time that I begin to be disappointed. I bought all the dlc, but now I regret it.In fact Flight has a lot of good ideas, I like it, but the content is too light, and the dlc are far too expensives.And I am not talking about the lack of track ir support (whereas Micro flight simulator, a small soft made by a few people, if not one, has the track ir support)It seems that they are just making this software to take your money.Where is the passion of flying in all that? I hope this will change soon.

I am on board for the Alaska DLC. Heck, I find forgotten $20 bills in the clothes hamper, why would I sweat it?Sheer curiosity will impel me, and I will buy in the same spirit I purchased all those hundreds and hundreds of dollars of Orbyx scenery's.

Sincerely I still don't know very well the X-Plane forum, considering that I started to participate there only recently. Do they use to delete entire threads instead than locking them?

I can't remember any real need. In the beginning there were some pretty harsh comments but it got gradually better without any major involvements by mods if i remember correctly.Hardly a big surprise since X-Plane changes pretty fast. I think this is the difference. Many people lean back and see what they can do now.There is a big difference between 10.03 beta 3 I started with and the current 10.04rc3. It isn't so much a question if they fix or improve something, but where in the queue this project is positioned. Right now they rescheduled many things for the scenery designers.While the whole project is a bit crazy and chaotic it becomes obvious that it stands on good legs and will stay for the foreseeable future.Flight on the other hand looks much more accessible and much more like a finished project it becomes stale and sterile after a while. You can very dlearly see its fundamental purpose: Sell DLC. It is now at the point that I feared from the beginning: People start to get bored. How do you hold them in the game, especially if they are npt very much interested in the next DLCs?To say it plainly: They t6alk abou7t millions of users, but where is the content that will hold millions of users busy? It isn't really a building game like most MMOs where you either build your characters or your farms and so on.Most MMOs have it much easier. New objects are hard to get but they are accessible by the game. You see what you can do with the new thing but it would simply took to much time, so you grab your wallet and buy the upgrade.It would be more in the way: You see the new plane and that it can do so much more than your own. It would make the life so much easier in the game. But these elements are not there. Flight had an advantage, that it was free, but in the long run this won't matter.anymore.

As a pilot in RL (got my ticket in '79), I ask, if you love flying, how can you not like Flight and want to keep it installed and fly it once in a while? I know I will.

I honestly think there is way too much negativity pointed toward Flight. We aren't stupid so we are all aware of the things Flight still lacks but to ditch the product that is one month old just like that is merely an example of spoiled behavior (no offense intended). Just like a little kid who doesn't get a toy that he wanted and starts kicking and screaming because his particular demand wasn't fulfilled.We all need to calm down and give Flight some time and a fair chance.FSX took few years to get where it is and with major help by 3PD but i don't see any people bringing that up. You guys read one interview where Mr. Howard, clearly frustrated and disappointed by the feedback from angry "hardcore simmers" says that he doesn't care about that vocal minority of "hardcore simmers" and you immediately conclude that MS will just abandon their initial plans to satisfy both newcomers and long time simmers. Believe me when i say, no company in the world is going to willingly and in sane mind give up any profit they can potentially make. The main problem here is that the Flight team is rather small and they simply cannot fulfill all of our requests in such a short time, as we would all love. I am certain they will devote their time and resources towards hardcore simmers quite soon since they are very well aware that is the group of people that can present a steady long term income for them.Nobody profits from bad attitude, bashing and dissing. I can't wait for A/P, new A/C, AI traffic and new areas but i know that me going ballistic on forums will certainly not speed up that process, so i am trying (so far successfully) to enjoy everything i DO have in Flight. I still love it as much as on the day it came out and just finished a beautiful scenic flight that ended on Kahului airport. I played some music in the background, Skyped with my buddy, had a coffee and few cigarettes and i had a great time.IMO, Flight has only one way to go from here and that is forward. We just have to give it time. MS is not stupid.Chillax people and have a great day :)Cheers

As a pilot in RL (got my ticket in '79), I ask, if you love flying, how can you not like Flight and want to keep it installed and fly it once in a while? I know I will.

<snip>We all need to calm down and give Flight some time and a fair chance.FSX took few years to get where it is and with major help by 3PD<snip>IMO, Flight has only one way to go from here and that is forward. We just have to give it time. MS is not stupid.Chillax people and have a great day :)Cheers

In my view those are very good points.Also many others from this thread.(but don't want to troll)

I honestly think there is way too much negativity pointed toward Flight. We aren't stupid so we are all aware of the things Flight still lacks but to ditch the product that is one month old just like that is merely an example of spoiled behavior (no offense intended). Just like a little kid who doesn't get a toy that he wanted and starts kicking and screaming because his particular demand wasn't fulfilled.

Just a little observation.As I never said (and thought) that players who love Fligth are stupid or comparable to 6 year Nintendo Gameboy users, I have to observe that the often repeated comparison of the critics with screaming kids is not particularly elegant.Is it too difficult to remain in the framework of a civil and technical discussion, without having to resort to these quite cheap dialectic methods to negate validity to the arguments of others?A.

, had a coffee and few cigarettes and i had a great time.

Hear hear!!

Other sim forums have their small percentage of dissidents. FLIGHT on the other hand seems to have only a small percentage of advocates on this admittedly biased forum of serious simmers. That should tell MS something. Perhaps they already know it and see their markets elsewhere. I personally don't see a flight simulator retaining gamers interests over the long haul. I'd hate to see MS abandon all simming, as they provide the engine for full featured products and competition for X-Plane which engenders comparitive quality wars. I installed FLIGHT, played (literally) with it for about 4 hours and deleted it from my system. I will revisit the sim as a serious product once I see three things: how extensive will it be, when will skilled 3rd party developers be allowed to participate, and how much will it cost to regain intercontinental flight? I will continue to monitor this forum, being the only one on the 'net I've found, in the hopes it comes together. I'm just afraid the price of completion will be leveled at the 6-7 figure incomes of the developers and not those of us on retirement incomes.

Perhaps it isn't clear what the mission of the AVSIM Flight is. I joined in with the possibly incorrect assumption that this was a place for people who are interested in Microsoft Flight can come to ask questions, share information and generally help each other out.instead it feels like I'm writing for Microsoft and picking through product requests, bug reports among other feedback.I can easily ignore the thread because most of what is said isn't of concern to me or has already been stated 1000x before. the concern I do have is how all this comes across to anyone visiting for the first time who is interested in joining an active community such as AVSIM.When these topics remain hot and bury all the others where new voices are asking for advice it isn't helpful to the community.

When these topics remain hot and bury all the others where new voices are asking for advice it isn't helpful to the community.

I cannot speak for the other moderators, but I believe that it this is also the place for civil debates about Flight (emphasis being on civil).And debates do not prevent anyone from asking for help or share information about Flight. I feel that there is room for both in a forum.Over the past week or so the number of posts here have decreased considerably, so new posts are no longer quickly getting buried.

Just a little observation.As I never said (and thought) that players who love Fligth are stupid or comparable to 6 year Nintendo Gameboy users, I have to observe that the often repeated comparison of the critics with screaming kids is not particularly elegant.Is it too difficult to remain in the framework of a civil and technical discussion, without having to resort to these quite cheap dialectic methods to negate validity to the arguments of others?A.

I never said you did. Nor did i imply anyone in particular. I don't even remember whose posts were most negative. My intention was not to call anyone out or sound uncivil and therefore, i am sorry if that is the case.Still, it is much less elegant to simply bash the product or publicly call people to boycott the product and not spend a single dime because that, in return, might result in MS realizing what they did and didn't do and make themfulfill the needs of a certain group of users (like written in some of the earlier posts).I also never questioned the validity of the arguments made by people who do not approve Flight. It is all pretty factual; some features are present or not. It is about the attitude that one takes when addressing the product shortcomings.Again, i apologize if i insulted anyone with my comment. It was not my intention.Cheers

I'd hate to see MS abandon all simming, as they provide the engine for full featured products and competition for X-Plane which engenders comparitive quality wars.

This time 3 short years ago, we thought that was where they were...

When I first returned to simming (via a renewed interest in FSX) and re-discovered active dedicated forums, one of the first things I did, being a super nosy and curious person was take a look at public forum traffic data, as I was surprised such sites still existed.The results were sobering, and showed an almost inexorable decline in traffic (sans bursts of activity surrounding events like the release of flight) that appeared to have only one possible conclusion; that flight simulation was on a road to eventual extinction. I am hopeful that this is not true, but I see the announcement of the apparently abandoned Aerosoft flight simulator and then the lurch towards XP10 and its sudden resurgence, as an example of eagerly seeking water from dwindling pools.I think FLIGHT really really has to succeed, because its the best opportunity for large scale influx of new people into this genre right now. I believe its up to all of us to engage constructively with Microsoft while recognizing that they are attempting mightily not to go down the same road to eventual niche extinction as previous Sims have gone. If that means, to misquote another person on the forum, "Sizzle now, steak later" then I am willing to give this product the time to find its feet.

think FLIGHT really really has to succeed, because its the best opportunity for large scale influx of new people into this genre right now. I believe its up to all of us to engage constructively with Microsoft while recognizing that they are attempting mightily not to go down the same road to eventual niche extinction as previous Sims have gone.

Most excellent observation , I would agree with that.