March 28, 201214 yr As Captain RSR said in Munich, having 2D panels on newer products is not top priority:But im just curious, do they take extra resources even when your only using the VC?Would an option to turn them off/not install them be of any sense or just meaningless?Just curious.. Yngve GiljebrekkeENZV NSB
March 28, 201214 yr Nope. 2d panels don't use up resources when they're not in use. They do take up development time, however. Kenneth Weir My Saitek yoke mod i7 2600k @ 4.7 8GB Gskill CAS7 2x GTX580 SLI Surround + GT520 Accessory Win7x64
March 28, 201214 yr I just need a 2D FMC as sometimes it can be a little easier but that's it. If you want a good 777 2D go to PSS. It's all about VC flying, I don't know how people use 2D Main Panels for a full flight. Something I did like that Level-D did with their 767 was when you're facing forward say in the FO Seat you click the glare shield and a 2D MCP comes up, now that can be useful at times when I'm rushing putting a new HDG, Alt, QNH, Speed at the same time ha! I don't have any camera addons so maybe that would help, just use the space bar which allows you to look around and my joystick has something to allow you to pan around. - Luke Pabari
March 29, 201214 yr In the conference video he did say you can expect to see 2D FMCs MCPs and stuff like that but full 2D panels are a thing of the past. Tom Landry
March 29, 201214 yr Yeah, the basic panels that cockpit builders need are supposed to stay if I recall correctly. Kenneth Weir My Saitek yoke mod i7 2600k @ 4.7 8GB Gskill CAS7 2x GTX580 SLI Surround + GT520 Accessory Win7x64
March 29, 201214 yr I just need a 2D FMC as sometimes it can be a little easier but that's it. If you want a good 777 2D go to PSS. It's all about VC flying, I don't know how people use 2D Main Panels for a full flight. Something I did like that Level-D did with their 767 was when you're facing forward say in the FO Seat you click the glare shield and a 2D MCP comes up, now that can be useful at times when I'm rushing putting a new HDG, Alt, QNH, Speed at the same time ha! IYou have that in the NGX> top menubar>views>instruments>MCP full. It's resizable. Kind regardsR.G
March 29, 201214 yr You have that in the NGX> top menubar>views>instruments>MCP full. It's resizable.Ah I don't have the NGX as I'm not a short haul guy and not motivated enough to learn the 737 ha. I only fly the 767 and 747, been waiting for a Pro 777 for over a Year as it's my favourite! - Luke Pabari
March 29, 201214 yr Author I just need a 2D FMC as sometimes it can be a little easier but that's it.Yeah, thats pretty much how I use it as well.For me, flying in FS9, I always used the 2d panels the most. When I bought a new pc and got FSX, it did take getting used to flying from the vc only, but now I never touch those 2d-panels unless its the FMC.. Nope. 2d panels don't use up resources when they're not in use. They do take up development time, however...and then I dont mind if they drop the overhead and pedestal. However, as some pointed out here, having an fmc and main panel is actually worth it given the options to build a home cockpit Yngve GiljebrekkeENZV NSB
March 29, 201214 yr If they have at least the pannel with mcp pfd nd and so on is still good... for low performance pc's André Azevedo http://www.asa-virtu...callsign=TAP370
March 30, 201214 yr Here we go again... 2D vs 3D.RSR also said that he would do away with 2D completely but some people on the dev team prefer 2D over 3D.I will use whatever PMDG provides and I won't complain about anything. Jeff Calder
March 30, 201214 yr I will use whatever PMDG provides and I won't complain about anything.Noble, but there are customers here with an opinion and a choice. AJ Pongress
March 30, 201214 yr Noble, but there are customers here with an opinion and a choice.I find this inaccurate.Your opinion is well known. I share your opinion. I prefer 2D, I fly all the planes I have in 2D. PMDG knows there are those of us who prefer 2D. It doesn't need to constantly be brought up.However I don't know what this "choice" is you speak of. Your choice is you will either fly what PMDG provides you with or you will not purchase the product and complain about it. Since I've been around this "hobby" a long time, I've found complaining nonstop (example, FSX vs FS9) doesn't amount to anything.Using the "start a new topic every couple of days to get my point across" tactic reminds me of the kids who chase their parents around going "can we go to disney world" and hope the parents will eventually cave. It rarely works.Best of luck to you though, if you succeed in irritating PMDG enough to make full 2D cockpits, I will applaud you since I will still have 2D cockpits to use. Jeff Calder
March 30, 201214 yr To be honest I really only need a 2d panel for the A/P MCP and the radio panel. The main problem I think with the VC only approach is the "a knob on top of another knob" design (e.g. Baro and Bank angle limit) Boeing and others employ with their MCP and radio panels, which can be tricky to set with the mouse if you don't change the VC viewpoint.Another problematic design would be the 'turn, push and pull' knobs for the Airbus.
March 30, 201214 yr EZDOK solves all the problems, 2D is terrible, looks terrible and should be put to bed now after 20+ years. Simon Roberts
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