Your sig describes you as "Trainee Real World Pilot". How much work do you expect to get if you can't motivate your self to fly the most detailed and accurate tube liner available to the general public? Apart from the amount of time spent watching the autopilot do its job, what exactly do you think is the difference between flying 100Nm and flying 10,000Nm ?

Paul that's way out of line. How can you compare learning an FSX aircraft to flying training in real life? You been kidding yourself too long in the sim world? Your post had zero relevance and do you have experience to back it up out of interest? I dropped my life when I did ATPLs..If you think there's the need or time to learn a 737 in FSX during training think again! Again, there's huge differences in flying those distances, but again I guess your experiences are limited to the confines of your room rather than the flight deck on the line? Do correct me if I am wrong.

My main concern is the overhead. I do taxi, t/o, climb, decent and landing in the VC. I usually cruise on the 2d because it is just easy to monitor stuff but I can live with crusing in the VC. I know the FMC and hopefully radio panels will be in 2d pop ups also. But preflight in 2d is so much easier especially for the overhead. In real life it is much easier to see the whole overhead panel then it is on a 26 inch screen, the 2d overhead makes that real life ease available.I would not be opposed to paying a little extra for 2d panels if that was the case.

Oh here we go, another person online telling me...blah blah

I commented only on what you have actually said. You stated you couldn't 'motivate yourself', I didn't.

And yes there are quite a few differences flying 100 Miles - 8,000 Miles.

Fine. Name one. Shouldn't be difficult for a "Trainee Real World Pilot".

Do correct me if I am wrong.

I see your point but I don't agree. The guy claims he loves the T7 and wants to fly it, and gives the impression (at least that is how I read it) that he wants to fly it in real life. He has the opertunity to learn most of the Boeing systems that the T7 uses at the highest fidelity currently available to the general public, but because he can't keep it in the air for over eight hours, he would rather play with his toys! The PSS 777 that he is so pleased with was pretty good in its day, but that day is dead and gone. It is not that he doesn't have time, it is that he can't be bothered. I would really love to know how he expects to get a job flying as T7 senior captain on long haul before he learns how to fly.

I commented only on what you have actually said. You stated you couldn't 'motivate yourself', I didn't. Fine. Name one. Shouldn't be difficult for a "Trainee Real World Pilot".I see your point but I don't agree. The guy claims he loves the T7 and wants to fly it, and gives the impression (at least that is how I read it) that he wants to fly it in real life. He has the opertunity to learn most of the Boeing systems that the T7 uses at the highest fidelity currently available to the general public, but because he can't keep it in the air for over eight hours, he would rather play with his toys! The PSS 777 that he is so pleased with was pretty good in its day, but that day is dead and gone. It is not that he doesn't have time, it is that he can't be bothered. I would really love to know how he expects to get a job flying as T7 senior captain on long haul before he learns how to fly.

How you can continue to compare playing FSX to actually flight training is totally perplexing in the manner in which you say...I think FSX and pmdg's ultra realism has scrambled you. I got my job without flying a fs airbus, believe it or not. Perhaps he'd like to spend his time getting his license and living in reality and flying as opposed to in a virtual world. There's something called a type rating where he will learn the 777s systems, till then, there's zero need. Leave the guy alone for christ sakes, let him live his dream in reality :-) I got a good laugh from this, it's almost like pprune! Haha. Have you actually got any airline line time? Long/short haul? Anything at all? Or just sim time? Do you know why most airline have minimum hours before going long haul? Why does it pay more? Whats the point in there being a 3rd flight deck crew member? Where does FSX fit into any of this? You're a funny guy!

I'm glad someone is enjoying themselves. You must admit it is better then arguing about 2D panels vs. pop-ups I suppose.I suspect you completly missed what it was that got me peeved at Luke. I was not belittling (or even questioning) his trainee pilot status. I was questioning his "couldn't be bothered" attitude. Having gone through the process of becoming a professional, you must recognise that attitude from among the people you started with who are no longer in the industry? Would you like him in your left seat?

Why can't we all just get along?

I find this inaccurate.Your opinion is well known. I share your opinion. I prefer 2D, I fly all the planes I have in 2D. PMDG knows there are those of us who prefer 2D. It doesn't need to constantly be brought up.However I don't know what this "choice" is you speak of. Your choice is you will either fly what PMDG provides you with or you will not purchase the product and complain about it. Since I've been around this "hobby" a long time, I've found complaining nonstop (example, FSX vs FS9) doesn't amount to anything.Using the "start a new topic every couple of days to get my point across" tactic reminds me of the kids who chase their parents around going "can we go to disney world" and hope the parents will eventually cave. It rarely works.Best of luck to you though, if you succeed in irritating PMDG enough to make full 2D cockpits, I will applaud you since I will still have 2D cockpits to use.

PMDG does say it listens to the customers. I also exclusively use the 2D and hate the fact that I need toswitch to the 3D to turn on the fuel switches. There should be a 2D main panel, 2D FMC, a 2D overhead and 2D pedistal. If it takes more time to develop, charge extra - I'll pay for it. But give us the choice. I wish PMDG would do a poll and see what the % of 2D vs 3D are preferred. I still thing landing on the VC at 45% zoom makes the ground go by too fast.

I commented only on what you have actually said. You stated you couldn't 'motivate yourself', I didn't. Fine. Name one. Shouldn't be difficult for a "Trainee Real World Pilot".I see your point but I don't agree. The guy claims he loves the T7 and wants to fly it, and gives the impression (at least that is how I read it) that he wants to fly it in real life. He has the opertunity to learn most of the Boeing systems that the T7 uses at the highest fidelity currently available to the general public, but because he can't keep it in the air for over eight hours, he would rather play with his toys! The PSS 777 that he is so pleased with was pretty good in its day, but that day is dead and gone. It is not that he doesn't have time, it is that he can't be bothered. I would really love to know how he expects to get a job flying as T7 senior captain on long haul before he learns how to fly.

Why would I bother even training and spending this money if I can't be bothered?Yes I see what you're saying about learning the systems but have you never heard of a Type Rating course? Heck I might not even get on a Boeing OR Airbus. I wont have a choice! Do you have any idea of the training prior? Do you even have an Hour PIC Real World? Yeah I would love nothing more than to fly the 777 but that's so much easier said than done i'm afraid. That wouldn't be for at least 5-20 Years so I don't know why you think that's important now. I don't know what I'll be flying in 2 Years Time, I don't know if I'll pass training, I don't know what Manufacturer the Aircraft will be built by.Just because I can't be bothered to learn a MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR FOR WINDOWS 7 has NOTHING to do with my real world training and attitude. You clearly think you know me by that post and know exactly what I'm like :Just Kidding:Ok simple, do you need charts for ETOPS Alternates on a 100nm Flight? No. Do you have to worry about pressurisation in props? NO, do you in Airliners, YES. There's so many Factors which include things like that even I am yet to learn yet.Aviation is a never ending learning curve. It's more than just sitting on your computer and walking away while Auto Pilot does everything. A company like PMDG can re-produce a very good professional addon like the 737 or 777 but at the end of the day there are too many other Factors to get FSX like Reality. If you haven't already I suggest going to your local flight school and doing a trial flight of some sort. You'd do more in a prop than you do at home on your Computer :LMAO:Seriously though mate, I don't understand how you decided you knew me and I had no Motivation because I couldn't be bothered to learn a Extension for a Flight Simulator which will never come close to the real thing. If you don't want to believe me or this Speedbird lad then you do that, we're the ones flying in reality. Since you judged me here's what I get about you. You either failed Training, can't do it, to scared, don't have the ability, because you fly a Professional Addon on the Simulator you think you're automatically like a Real World Pilot and know what's like. (I'm not commercial yet I don't even know yet) Or you're simply Jealous I'm trying to make my dream reality and something out my life and seems people can't handle that.Just carry on hating on someone you don't know and see where it gets you in life. Also see where it gets you in my Flight Deck :(

How you can continue to compare playing FSX to actually flight training is totally perplexing in the manner in which you say...I think FSX and pmdg's ultra realism has scrambled you. I got my job without flying a fs airbus, believe it or not. Perhaps he'd like to spend his time getting his license and living in reality and flying as opposed to in a virtual world. There's something called a type rating where he will learn the 777s systems, till then, there's zero need. Leave the guy alone for christ sakes, let him live his dream in reality :-)I got a good laugh from this, it's almost like pprune! Haha.Have you actually got any airline line time? Long/short haul? Anything at all? Or just sim time? Do you know why most airline have minimum hours before going long haul? Why does it pay more? Whats the point in there being a 3rd flight deck crew member? Where does FSX fit into any of this?You're a funny guy!

And thank you Sam for at least backing me up!

Luke, don't be to put off about what is said in public forums. After all, only you will know what career path you will take. If you work hard enough you will reach the goal you have set yourself. Best of luck for the future.

Has no one ever said to you that it is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, then to speak out and proove it.

... Do you have to worry about pressurisation in props? NO, ...

Seriously?Are you saying that no one has to worry about pressurisation in props?I worry about it in props. But then I know what hypoxia is. I also know the service ceiling of a Cessna 152, and every other aircraft I have hours in, whether passenger, trainee or pilot in command. Why don't you?

...I don't know what I'll be flying in 2 Years Time, I don't know if I'll pass training, ...

I can make an educated guess but you might not like it.

Has no one ever said to you that it is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, then to speak out and proove it.Seriously?Are you saying that no one has to worry about pressurisation in props?I worry about it in props. But then I know what hypoxia is. I also know the service ceiling of a Cessna 152, and every other aircraft I have hours in, whether passenger, trainee or pilot in command. Why don't you?I can make an educated guess but you might not like it.

You don't have a pressurised Cabin in a 152, you know the limits so it shouldn't be a problem or a worry. Unless you're an idiot of a Pilot! However if you're in a jet Aircraft that is something you need to monitor massively. This has to be the worse thing about the Internet and these Forums, some trolls can't accept the facts of other people's lives. Just look at how many people agreed with you, now if you excuse me I'm going to get on with my life. If you think I'll fail then good for you because if you knew anything about Pilots going in to training you'd know that no one is guaranteed a pass in everything. Bye! :(

Luke, don't be to put off about what is said in public forums. After all, only you will know what career path you will take. If you work hard enough you will reach the goal you have set yourself. Best of luck for the future.

I know Julian! I wish everyone the best of luck on the forums that is commencing Flight Training! Thank you!

You don't have a pressurised Cabin in a 152, you know the limits so it shouldn't be a problem or a worry. Unless you're an idiot of a Pilot!

And yet you can fly it above the pressurisation requirements. I am confused now. Are you saying only idiots worry, or only idiots don't worry?

However if you're in a jet Aircraft that is something you need to monitor massively.

Really? I thought it was fully automated in all modern jet aircraft.

...if you knew anything about Pilots going in to training you'd know that no one is guaranteed a pass in everything.

Here is some advice that you can choose to listen to or ignore. Pilots exams are not a lottery, there is no random element of chance. If you know your stuff properly, you will pass. If you do not, you will fail sooner or later. Some people scrape by with good luck, a minimum of knowledge and cramming for exams etc. but they usually end up in front of the accident board.

Im a vc user. I hate the full 2d panels, but i do like the pop up fmc and displays that will undock. With that being said, i dont care if they do or dont include 2d panels because i more then likely wont spend any time using them.And for the person who said "if 70 percent use the vc, then they will alienate the other 30" or something to that point, the way to succeed in most businesses is to find your niche and be the very best at it. I would say pmdg has found thier niche in the highly detailed vc. With more and more people aquiring computers that can run fsx well everyday, I could see where it would be a wise business choice on thier end to scale down 2d panel development into other areas such as the vc/systems/models/flight model etc.I understand that not everyone has the money to shell out for newer rig to play fsx well. But unfortunately that is how technology is, something newer and better will come along, and you will need beter hardware to use it. As an example, I dont see people complaining that they cant play gran turismo 5 on thier playstation 1's. No they realize that in order to play it, they need certain hardware (in this case a ps3) and thus if they wish to play they have to buy the newer hardware.Anyhow what do I know? Im just a simmer eating his rib eye drinking a beer while his ngx heads towards kmsp.

And..

Yes it's the same as anything in life, same with the exams we all did in School. It's as simple as you work hard, you get good results. I wouldn't like to think of Pilots getting lucky persay as that's a safety call but it happens. I do know a few Pilots that ''Scraped'' through some subjects in the ATPL's to get the 75% pass. Not a good thing but not everyone is perfect at every subject. There are people that can Pass the ATPL's, IR, MCC but can't pass the CPL. It happens, heck some can't pass PPL as some people struggle with things such as Navigating and Flying. I know what I'm getting myself in to, I know what to expect. Now if you don't mind you can stop judging me by a post I put on the forums which had nothing to do with my Training. Ok? Dropped it, let it go. :(

...Now if you don't mind you can stop judging me by a post I put on the forums...

You don't seem to understand. The posts you put on these forums are absolutly the only thing I am judging you on.