I'll tell you one thing for sure. If I continue to have the kind of problems I'm having just trying to purchase the Maule, Adventure Pac, P-51 bundle, I will not be purchasing anything else for Flight. In fact, it will leave my hard drive very soon now if someone from Support does not attempt to assist me. I have had some responses from helpful folks on this forum. I generally always do, and I appreciate them very much. But I have not been able to solve the problem using their suggestions so far, so I still need help from Support. I have tried Stream Support, Microsoft Flight Support, and even Microsoft customer service. And no one so far has responded to me. I purchased this pac early this morning, and it's now almost 9PM and still no Support. I suspect I'll be doing a chargeback on my credit card tomorrow morning unless there is a post of some kind in my email that solves the problem.

 

That's too bad. I really wanted to try some of the addons and give this new program a fair judgement. But if I can't get it to work, I suppose that is judgment enough.

 

Anyway, if someone comes us with an idea that helps me I'll appreciate it very much. Right now i have managed to get Flight so show up in my list of Steam games. And it will launch from there. But it does not show that I have any downloadable content for that game. There is another page in Steam that says I have already purchased that content. But did it download, and if so, where is it? Also, I didn't get a code to enter as I was supposed to.

 

I'll quite complaining now and go do something useful. Everyone have a good evening, or night, or day - whichever it is in your part of the world right now.

 

Dewey

What do you mean? Tell me, I know either some or most of the tech stuff for Flight due to interactive with devs over Steam and beta forums.

Well, I had some rewards points on my credit card that I was saving for Alaska.

 

During the beta and up through the first month after Flight's release, I was "sold" on it. I liked the simplicity, the graphics, the performance, and the integration of missions and jobs into the game. I initially thought Hawaii would keep me entertained longer than it actually did, and I (like many others) incorrectly assumed Alaska would be an early Spring release, not a late Spring/Summer release. Long story short - I kinda started to get bored with just the islands (and lots and lots of water!) to fly over.

 

Then ORBX came along with their 44% off sale... The PNW demo actually looked better than the few screens of Alaska that we've seen so far. PNW came out to just about the same amount that I had set aside for Alaska. So... there went my "Alaska money."

 

And because I just invested ~ $22 in FSX, I got excited and I did a fresh install to clean things out. I'm playing it more and I've added StrikingSoftware's freeware Caribbean sceneries which look pretty darn good. And now that I've invested some more money into FSX and I'm using it more, I'm less excited about investing more $$$ in Flight.

 

It's been said many times (and I've said it too) that folks don't have to choose FSX or Flight. Both games can exist on my hard drive at the same time for free. No problem there. But I can't afford (and don't really want to) to keep investing time and $$$ in both. The initial release of Flight re-sparked my interest in FSX, and now the gap between Hawaii and Alaska's release has actually allowed FSX to gain momentum relative to Flight.

 

I'm not saying I won't buy Alaska. But it's not a sure thing like it would have been a month ago.

Good post, malibu43. I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to FSX myself, but I'm glad to see that some people are doing well with it. I'm interested in how the PNW scenery compares with Flight's Alaska when the time comes. For that matter, how does the Caribbean scenery compare with Hawaii? I have to confess liking FSX autogen better than Flight's.

 

Hook

Malibu43...

 

I have never owner FSX, but I think I am going to buy it and slowly build up add-ons.

Flight has got me to the point where I am feining for additional scenery, airplanes, stuff to do.

I have seen some videos of FSX that look pretty great. The only thing I didnt like about FSX was when taking off, it seems almost 2 speeds, slow and a little bit faster. Doesnt seem to have the fluidity that flight has when taking off and landing.

 

Anyways, to fill that void, I too will get FSX and hopefully it will hold me over(just the MS version) then possibly get some add-ons or at least free-ware/

Nice to see people getting more into this hobby thanks to Flight. I have to admit I was very sceptical when it came to new virtual pilots moving from Flight to FSX because FSX isn't as 'easy' as Flight when it comes to setting up and getting it running. I myself can't see myself going back to FSX, simply because of the great mood and atmosphere and graphics that Flight has, but it's fun to see people getting so in love with flying that they don't mind the trouble that FSX may bring. Maybe my not going back also has to do with the fact that I have flown FSX since the day it was released so I've seen it by now and Flight is fresh and all. Anyway, if Flight succeeded in one thing, it is in getting more people to fly on the PC!

Malibu43...

 

I have never owner FSX, but I think I am going to buy it and slowly build up add-ons.

Flight has got me to the point where I am feining for additional scenery, airplanes, stuff to do.

I have seen some videos of FSX that look pretty great. The only thing I didnt like about FSX was when taking off, it seems almost 2 speeds, slow and a little bit faster. Doesnt seem to have the fluidity that flight has when taking off and landing.

 

Anyways, to fill that void, I too will get FSX and hopefully it will hold me over(just the MS version) then possibly get some add-ons or at least free-ware/

 

Good luck with that Watermouse.

A piece of a friendly advice, though: get ready to spend more hours tweaking FSX to work properly (on a powerful rig) than actually flying, prepare your wallet for a huge hit if you plan on having a similar visual quality of Flight and last but not least (quite contrary, perhaps most important), don't expect to have as sophisticated flight model / physics as in Flight. If you purchase some high quality aircraft by 3PD , it will improve your experience tremendously but still, some things even 3PD cannot control and therefore the fidelity of flight model itself is not that great.

In the other hand, you have the whole world, custom weather and more aircraft to fly with.

 

Now, i don't intend to sound bad, but i think this thread went slightly off tracks due to criticism and personal dislike expressions that have nothing to do with Alaska DLC for Flight. There were already a lot of threads made by people who just love to post how they are giving up on Flight, dislike Flight and / or criticize people who actually enjoy it.

 

 

Cheers

Good post, malibu43. I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to FSX myself, but I'm glad to see that some people are doing well with it. I'm interested in how the PNW scenery compares with Flight's Alaska when the time comes. For that matter, how does the Caribbean scenery compare with Hawaii? I have to confess liking FSX autogen better than Flight's.

 

Hook

 

Well, I can say for sure that (IMHO) ORBX PNW looks better than the screenshots I've seen of Alaska, though that isn't really enough to make a fair comparison. One thing I've noticed in the Alaska shots is that you can clearly see the point where autogen tree draw distance ends (due to dark green trees on white terrain texture). Lot's of default FSX areas (including Alaska) have this issue as well, which I think is an immersion killer. ORBX PNW does a good job at keeping terrain textures and the autogen that covers them colored similarly, so that gaps in autogen and draw distance aren't as noticeable.

 

I think Flight's Hawaii is hands-down the best Hawaii I've ever seen in a flight sim (including free-ware and payware). It's hard for me to compare it to the Caribbean stuff, since I've never been to the Caribbean. I think I'd prefer Flight's Hawaii, but it's hard to say for sure. I think Flight has a better/more accurate sense of scale, due to the smaller size of the autogen.

 

Malibu43...

 

I have never owner FSX, but I think I am going to buy it and slowly build up add-ons.

Flight has got me to the point where I am feining for additional scenery, airplanes, stuff to do.

I have seen some videos of FSX that look pretty great. The only thing I didnt like about FSX was when taking off, it seems almost 2 speeds, slow and a little bit faster. Doesnt seem to have the fluidity that flight has when taking off and landing.

 

Anyways, to fill that void, I too will get FSX and hopefully it will hold me over(just the MS version) then possibly get some add-ons or at least free-ware/

 

Like Eevun said (below), get ready to spend money on payware to get it to look as good as the videos you see on youtube. And get ready to spend time tweaking and tuning to get it to run well and still look good. And save some time also to uninstall and reinstall at least a few times after you screw something up by incorrectly installing an addon. Flight is infinitely superior to FSX in terms of simplicity and "user friendly-ness."

 

Good luck with that Watermouse.

A piece of a friendly advice, though: get ready to spend more hours tweaking FSX to work properly (on a powerful rig) than actually flying, prepare your wallet for a huge hit if you plan on having a similar visual quality of Flight and last but not least (quite contrary, perhaps most important), don't expect to have as sophisticated flight model / physics as in Flight. If you purchase some high quality aircraft by 3PD , it will improve your experience tremendously but still, some things even 3PD cannot control and therefore the fidelity of flight model itself is not that great.

In the other hand, you have the whole world, custom weather and more aircraft to fly with.

 

Now, i don't intend to sound bad, but i think this thread went slightly off tracks due to criticism and personal dislike expressions that have nothing to do with Alaska DLC for Flight. There were already a lot of threads made by people who just love to post how they are giving up on Flight, dislike Flight and / or criticize people who actually enjoy it.

 

 

Cheers

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to drag things off topic.

 

My original post (at least the main point of my original post) was on topic:

 

The amount of time it has taken them to get Alaska out has resulted in me losing interest and spending my money elseware.

What screenshots of Alaska are you talking about bud? The ones when they announced the Alaska DLC? Those are FSX default scenery with Flight's autogen. It's not fair to make a comparison when a DLC pack hasn't been released yet. We should wait until it is released. At that time, it will be fair to make any comparisons.

@Malibu43:

 

I understand the main point of your post. I also understand that you felt like going back to FSX. The only thing i don't understand (and this is not pointed toward you only) is why so many people feel an urge to

notify the rest of the community of their decision to go back and then state reasons for doing so. Don't get me wrong, sir, i completely understand that you are disappointed and have decided to use FSX again but

it's just that it has been said soooo many times in threads that were discussing something completely unrelated. That is why i always feel that some people enjoy letting others know how they are not satisfied with Flight

and how FSX is the best. That is the only reason i said what i said and i sincerely hope you don't take it the wrong way or as if i have anything against you.

 

 

Cheers

@Malibu43:

 

I understand the main point of your post. I also understand that you felt like going back to FSX. The only thing i don't understand (and this is not pointed toward you only) is why so many people feel an urge to

notify the rest of the community of their decision to go back and then state reasons for doing so. Don't get me wrong, sir, i completely understand that you are disappointed and have decided to use FSX again but

it's just that it has been said soooo many times in threads that were discussing something completely unrelated. That is why i always feel that some people enjoy letting others know how they are not satisfied with Flight

and how FSX is the best. That is the only reason i said what i said and i sincerely hope you don't take it the wrong way or as if i have anything against you.

 

 

Cheers

 

No worries. No offense taken.

 

I think people in general just like to hear the sound of their own voice (or the sight of their own text)!

I myself can't see myself going back to FSX, simply because of the great mood and atmosphere and graphics that Flight has, but it's fun to see people getting so in love with flying that they don't mind the trouble that FSX may bring. Maybe my not going back also has to do with the fact that I have flown FSX since the day it was released so I've seen it by now and Flight is fresh and all. Anyway, if Flight succeeded in one thing, it is in getting more people to fly on the PC!

 

You know as much as I hate to admit it, I think I am getting to be right there with you Jeroen. I downloaded/iinstalled the core Flight product on March 5th, and my last flight I flew in FSX was on March 4th.

I had just recently gotten FSX really where I wanted it - FS Genesis Mesh, UTX, GEX, and REX2, along with Accu-Feel as well.

I keep saying, I am going to have fun and get great enjoyment out of both sims. But to date, I have not as of yet fired good ole FSX back up yet. Not even after putting my new vid card in a couple weeks ago to see how it does with it.

In fact, I have put more hours into Flight the last three weeks, than I probably did FSX the last 12 weeks of flying it. Strange...

 

But you are absolutely correct, bringing more flyers into flying on the PC, is a very good thing! And that would include ALL types of flyers!

Eevun, the difference is one of attitude. Malibu wasn't posting mainly to bash Flight and Microsoft. I certainly understood what he was saying.

 

If I'd said, for example, that I was going to take some time off to play Sims 3 while waiting for Alaska, would it have the same connotations? (For what it's worth, I won't be doing that, as the last few expansion packs haven't been what I prefer, and I won't reinstall the last one I bought due to bugs and "negative features".)

 

Hook

Eevun, the difference is one of attitude. Malibu wasn't posting mainly to bash Flight and Microsoft. I certainly understood what he was saying.

 

If I'd said, for example, that I was going to take some time off to play Sims 3 while waiting for Alaska, would it have the same connotations? (For what it's worth, I won't be doing that, as the last few expansion packs haven't been what I prefer, and I won't reinstall the last one I bought due to bugs and "negative features".)

 

Hook

 

Well of course it wouldn't have the same connotation because it would be about a product completely unrelated to Flight. It would be the same as if you said "While i'm waiting for Alaska DLC, i will go back to carpentry as that is my hobby that i neglected since Flight came out" :)

I already said to Malibu43 that my intention wasn't to "attack" him or sound rude or anything. We are all aware of the constant FSX vs Flight comparison and public expression of dislike towards Flight and while it is a normal thing, i just think it should not spread over threads that are not dedicated to a such topic. Again, i am sorry if i came out "strong" or impolite :( I am really not that kind of person.

 

@Malibu43:

 

Thx for understanding me the right way.

 

 

Cheers

Too bad Microsoft. I am bored now on waiting for Alaska, getting not a peep of feedback from you! Is it too difficult to post the release date?

 

Finally spring arrived here in the Alps, the weather is getting better and better, so that I can continuing gliding tomorrow in RL. I will come back again to Flight maybe in September when the summer has ended. Till then a lot will be on sale at Steam, if Flight is still alive. And dont dare to release any plane without VC anymore, you are not only disapoinr your customers you fool them!

Have a great summer, whatever you do. :-(