That's correct. Working weather radars are not possible in FSX (there is no real weather simulation outside a small radius of the player's aircraft). PMDG repeatedly said that they won't do one that just fakes radar returns like some other FSX developers do.

 

Wow. OK....um...when I go into IXEG mode, you'll have to basically forget any of my Laminar ties :P Well this is a bit of good news for us in that most of us at IXEG, not being FSX users, have no basis of comparison. We just look at the real radar....say, "OK, let's recreate it", and we did. I am not 100% sure ( so don't quote me on it) as I didn't code it up, but I think we might have tilting radar also. I certainly recall the testing between coder and beta tester...whether or not they got it working reliably I don't know...this one is a wait and see. We'll revisit that towards the end when final testing gets more serious. But this is an example of just how much can be done in x-plane. it's quite robust.

 

Tom K

IXEG / Laminar

The point is that the iFly has to interface with an external weather engine in order to achieve that. What if I don't want to buy/use ActiveSky? That's why no other developer has even considered doing that.

 

Its like you dont want to buy an payware for x-plane then your left with the realtime weather fsx uses itself, which is not as accurate and dont update continualy.

 

MB

Back on the original topic: I hope PDMG realizes that there are users like me who will not pay one penny more for payware on FSX, but will insta-buy PDMG work for X-Plane. I hope ORBX reads this thread and realizes that, too. Why? It's not just that X-Plane has a more lively flight model, that it looks better at night, that 64-bit is coming, and that it has its own growing library of addons, although that's all true.

 

No, it's because X-Plane 10 is stable, and FSX is not. At least on my machine. FSX crashes/freezes regularly, especially if I try to make a recording, whether or not I use FSRecorder. X-Plane has crashed on me once -- just ONCE -- in weeks of use, in which I fly it multiple hours a day. I didn't used to care as much, but now I play FSEconomy, and if the flight sim crashes mid-flight, I've just wasted an hour or more of my life.

 

I was reminded of this forcibly yesterday, when I took a break from X-Plane to revisit ORBX's pretty scenery for Oz in FSX. It looked nice (not great, but nice), and it ran at an okay framerate. But FSX crashed twice within the space of an hour, both times while I was trying to do a FSEconomy run. I quit FSX and returned to X-Plane. For me, X-Plane's stability, smoother performance, and more lively flight model makes it the clear choice. And yeah, there are now great aircraft available for X-Plane: I'm loving my new LES DC-3, and I plan to buy some of the Carenado stuff. Some good scenery is available too, and more is on the way.

 

I'm done with FSX. PDMG, please make stuff for X-Plane.

Back on the original topic: I hope PDMG realizes that there are users like me who will not pay one penny more for payware on FSX, but will insta-buy PDMG work for X-Plane. I hope ORBX reads this thread and realizes that, too. Why? It's not just that X-Plane has a more lively flight model, that it looks better at night, that 64-bit is coming, and that it has its own growing library of addons, although that's all true.

 

No, it's because X-Plane 10 is stable, and FSX is not. At least on my machine. FSX crashes/freezes regularly, especially if I try to make a recording, whether or not I use FSRecorder. X-Plane has crashed on me once -- just ONCE -- in weeks of use, in which I fly it multiple hours a day. I didn't used to care as much, but now I play FSEconomy, and if the flight sim crashes mid-flight, I've just wasted an hour or more of my life.

 

I was reminded of this forcibly yesterday, when I took a break from X-Plane to revisit ORBX's pretty scenery for Oz in FSX. It looked nice (not great, but nice), and it ran at an okay framerate. But FSX crashed twice within the space of an hour, both times while I was trying to do a FSEconomy run. I quit FSX and returned to X-Plane. For me, X-Plane's stability, smoother performance, and more lively flight model makes it the clear choice. And yeah, there are now great aircraft available for X-Plane: I'm loving my new LES DC-3, and I plan to buy some of the Carenado stuff. Some good scenery is available too, and more is on the way.

 

I'm done with FSX. PDMG, please make stuff for X-Plane.

 

May it be that FSX has so many more addons that need to work toughether, My x-plane crashed almost every time i used it, it is from user to user, I only had fsx crash once and it was due to hardware problems, got that fixed and no crashes and I play activ since 2006 with tons of addons installed.

 

But is X-plane is better for you of course you should stick with it already:). Some can play one but not the other others can play all :)

Fair enough. :)

 

 

Wow. OK....um...when I go into IXEG mode, you'll have to basically forget any of my Laminar ties :P Well this is a bit of good news for us in that most of us at IXEG, not being FSX users, have no basis of comparison. We just look at the real radar....say, "OK, let's recreate it", and we did. I am not 100% sure ( so don't quote me on it) as I didn't code it up, but I think we might have tilting radar also. I certainly recall the testing between coder and beta tester...whether or not they got it working reliably I don't know...this one is a wait and see. We'll revisit that towards the end when final testing gets more serious. But this is an example of just how much can be done in x-plane. it's quite robust.

 

Tom K

IXEG / Laminar

 

That weather radar sounds very intreaguing Tom. With the increasing interest in the x-plane franchise, it will be intreagimg to see what untapped potential new (and old!) developers can squeeze out of the simulator. The future looks bright.

 

Cheers

 

Rhydian

Hre are some posts of other fellow simmers @ the Ifly comunity!

 

"xPlane may, one day, represent a real market. At the moment, given development costs and the instability of the framework (one dev who pretty much does what he pleases with it) it isn't..."

 

"Yeah Xplane has to basically stand alone as few flock to develop for it. I just bought Xp10 as I own Xp9, but never bothered much with it. Just bought my first payware plane GA for it, an fsx port, and was pleasently suprised at how enjoyable it was. Been playing around with Xp10 and the night effects are unreal. Sad thing is unless they get some serious plane makers to port a bird or two, it'll fail"

 

"Many simmers thought give an opportunity to Xplane, but we still have not because we haven´t iFly 737."

 

"Given the amount of work it will not happen anytime soon."

 

If it would have been so grate and they would know they dont work for nothing to get a bird done just for a handfull of people actualy buying it and using it in X-plane. They would have been hard @ work right now.

 

Laminar should buy IFLY, PMDG, FSX + addons, get a feeling, go in the comunities talk to people find out what they want how the future simulator should be etc, then get to work and when finished,,, Tada, here comes X-plane 12, it futures:" almost everything they ghatered as information within and outside the comunities.

 

I´ll promisse when that day comes all simmers will place an order almost instantly or drop everything and run to the store.

 

So when the sim will be complete and the comunity says we want to switch to X-plane than probably we get an advance jet, until than laminar should be hard @ work putting some major touches to the platform

 

 

MB

 

I was just checking out the iFly forums for all these quotes and after quite a thorough search, this is all I found...

http://ifly.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=6203&KW=xp10&PID=59573&title=ifly-for-xp10#59573

Could you post more links to the X Plane discussion on the iFly forums as I am very curious.

I was just checking out the iFly forums for all these quotes and after quite a thorough search, this is all I found...

http://ifly.flight1....-for-xp10#59573

Could you post more links to the X Plane discussion on the iFly forums as I am very curious.

 

I see your in the general forum, they are in the registered user area!

As a registered user I have deeper acess!

 

MB

MB. Some of your observations are correct, but the time to fix some of that will not be terribly long. We are making steps to get the airports populated relatively well via 'crowd sourcing' and we should see significant benefits of this towards the beginning of 2013, maybe sooner. X-Plane can easily target hardcore simmers and our IXEG 737 project will demonstrate this soon; however, x-plane....when compared to the flight sim market as a whole.... is an adolescent who has just taken on lots of responsibility now that the patriarch of flight simming (FSX) doesn't appear to last much longer....and as such, there is some rushing to catch up..and that is where we are now. I think you will find, with a bit of patience, that x-plane is a very capable product and will mature into a flight sim experience that moves beyond the abilities of FSX, providing modern technology and a smoother user experience. I find it fully understandable that many would want to wait until it's a bit more mature and for those I only say that we are working as fast as possible to get there.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

MB. Some of your observations are correct, but the time to fix some of that will not be terribly long. We are making steps to get the airports populated relatively well via 'crowd sourcing' and we should see significant benefits of this towards the beginning of 2013, maybe sooner. X-Plane can easily target hardcore simmers and our IXEG 737 project will demonstrate this soon; however, x-plane....when compared to the flight sim market as a whole.... is an adolescent who has just taken on lots of responsibility now that the patriarch of flight simming (FSX) doesn't appear to last much longer....and as such, there is some rushing to catch up..and that is where we are now. I think you will find, with a bit of patience, that x-plane is a very capable product and will mature into a flight sim experience that moves beyond the abilities of FSX, providing modern technology and a smoother user experience. I find it fully understandable that many would want to wait until it's a bit more mature and for those I only say that we are working as fast as possible to get there.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

 

I am an old time Flight Simulator user. I just took the plunge into X-Plane 10 about 2 weeks ago. I recognize the issues brought forth by others but I took the plunge because after reading about the support and effort going into this simulation, I felt this was going to be the future. I'm happy to say I've been very impressed with what I've found out so far in flying around in X-Plane 10. I'm still getting used the to interface, still thinking like Flight Simulator :Just Kidding: , but the feeling of flight is just superb! Thank you for this ever growing and maturing product.

I am an old time Flight Simulator user. I just took the plunge into X-Plane 10 about 2 weeks ago. I recognize the issues brought forth by others but I took the plunge because after reading about the support and effort going into this simulation, I felt this was going to be the future. I'm happy to say I've been very impressed with what I've found out so far in flying around in X-Plane 10. I'm still getting used the to interface, still thinking like Flight Simulator :Just Kidding: , but the feeling of flight is just superb! Thank you for this ever growing and maturing product.

 

Bravo! :Applause: I like your attitude. Instead of complaining about what it may not have that other sims may have, You are enjoying the product on it's own merits. Once you get more used to it, I assure you your enjoyment level will increase greatly. Playing around in the interface actually becomes sort of fun in and of itself once you get to know it well, And I won't even get into how much of a blast planemaker is to mess around with.

 

When I first started out with XP a couple years ago, It felt a bit weird, I didn't know the default keys, and the interface was a bit daunting. But once I got acclimated to it, I started to realize that XP had it's own sort of "feel" and realism quotient that I have since become very fond of. I almost never fly GA in FS anymore, only heavies, I do almost all my GA VFR flying on X-Plane. I am looking forward to seeing what the masters at PMDG can do with the power of XP 10's engine.

Even for me it still feels weird but the landscape and night lighting and flight models make up for the weirdness. The new UI is very nice and the weather is amazing, I been having a hard time flying in FSX now. I also see what everyone has been saying that FSX "feels like you're flying on rails". But anyways back on topic, I could see PMDG doing the 747 for XPX which would be awesome. It's good to see they are seeing the light.

I'm done with FSX. PDMG, please make stuff for X-Plane.

 

I suspect that many FSX users are done with FSX. Luckily there is now Prepar3D, which has given FSX and all the add-ons people have invested in, a new lease on life. The problem with X-Plane from a development perspective, is that there are new fixes and updates that tend to not always be easy to work with. Any developer out there needs a stable working platform that doesn't shift and get updated almost constantly.

 

Cheers,

 

Jerome

Even for me it still feels weird but the landscape and night lighting and flight models make up for the weirdness. The new UI is very nice and the weather is amazing, I been having a hard time flying in FSX now. I also see what everyone has been saying that FSX "feels like you're flying on rails". But anyways back on topic, I could see PMDG doing the 747 for XPX which would be awesome. It's good to see they are seeing the light.

 

I've flown real GA for a long time, and I'm not "everyone". IMO--------flying on rails, is flying on auto-pilot. That means heading and altitude is constant. Some, seem get the idea..........that smooth air flight, as is default with FSX, is somehow not real. It's very real! I've flown far more smooth days, than turbulent days. But.............that's because I know what I'm looking for, what I want, and the correct times to find smooth air. It's also the reason, that I'll tame turbulence in XP.........if it get's irratating. I'm not much into artificial monitor shaking.

 

L.Adamson

I'm not much into artificial monitor shaking.

 

If it's only "artificial monitor shaking", then it should be very easy to land in heavy turbulences. :wink: Now OK, my armchair is not moving like my plane. This can become irritating.

But anyways back on topic, I could see PMDG doing the 747 for XPX which would be awesome. It's good to see they are seeing the light.

 

 

Why do you think they doing 747 for X-Plane?

Last time I checked they were "investigating the possibility" and did not mention the possible aircraft that they were considering to convert.

 

Is there a new info that I missed?

 

Thanks.