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Hi guys ,

I would like to start fly a bit more IFR with light aircrafts and i am searching for the Ultimate Twin \ Single aircraft .

The requirements :

Not too slow

Somewhere in the cockpit that i will see the flap settings ( not like the piper seneca that you have to look to the flap lever , thats not comfortable ) .

Realistic

Fun

i really really need autopilot , sometime i want to make long range IFR`s ( depends on the plane ) .

 

Thank you ,

Maor ;)

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Oh, that's easy! RealAir Beech Duke B60 or Turbine Duke. I have the piston, and will fly it for may a few hundred or thousand hours before I upgrade. The steam gauges, actually the entire VC, is marvelous!

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Hmm... I really enjoy the Carenado 337 as a light IFR platform. Good highly visible analog gauges for all critical functions (with HSI and FD) and a mix of old and new with the 530 and the Collins Nav/Com. Good seperate and very visible DME readouts (something I miss on so many newer cockpit layouts), and a second nav head that's not blocked by anything as so many are. Controls are visible and accessible. Make the 530 a RealityXP and you can add WAAS approaches to the mix.

 

About the only potential glitch is that the AP requires you to look in an odd spot for some functions. Two fixes include a little "gauge" that Bert Pieke did to help, or you can do as I do and use external controls for AP functions (I use Saitek's).

 

Scott

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For single...

 

Baytower RV7 (better if you have RXP gsn530W)

Orbx Lancair IV-P

Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 G3

 

Twin...

 

RealAir Duke or Turbine Duke

Milviz C310R

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I really enjoy the Lionheart Epic LT for IFR. It's worth a look.

As I've just spotted this on offer at 50% off for under $13, what is your down-to-earth honest opinion. Is it really worth it? Has it got a decently modelled exterior and interior or are the switches just there for a show? I do not want to make the same mistake I made with another aircraft I now regret having bought.

 

Your input would be valued.

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I have the lionheart Epic LT, too.

It's pretty good, certainly worth the new low price. The VC panel is extremely well done, the burled walnut panel in some versions of the plane looks especially gorgeous, but they all look pretty good. For glass displays the impact on frames is very low. The exterior model is deceptively simple in terms of physical detail and texture detail, but one has to remember that this aircraft has all-composite fuselage and wings, so rivets, seams, and joints are virtually non-existent. Most of the sounds emitted by the aircraft are excellent.

 

There's not an awful lot of functionality with the aircraft, but it's a turboprop, and operation of those in FSX are a bit simplified. Most of the buttons you see serve a purpose, however.

 

The aircraft is a bit overpowered so you must use the throttle very conservatively. Again, this is a reflection of the real-world aircraft.

 

The only gripes I have about the aircraft is that the running oil pressure always seems to show far too low pressure. I wish that a larger textures size was used for the fuselage exterior to give the schemes more crispness than they now have. Third-party repaints are lacking as well, thought the schemes that come with the package are great. Some of the button click sounds are too loud, as well as the "whoosh" sound you hear when you click on the yoke to make it disappear. Also, the suspension doesn't compress enough when you're on the deck and it tends to sit a bit tall, with the suspension elbow joints extended more than they would normally be.

 

Overall, a good, enjoyable, and fast FSX aircraft. It's not the best payware aircraft I ever purchased, but you can't go wrong for the new price.

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Thank you for that Treetop64. That was precisely just what I wanted, almost a mini-review in one.

 

Heading over to pcaviator tomorrow to buy at $12.97

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As I've just spotted this on offer at 50% off for under $13

The sales habit again? :biggrin:

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The sales habit again? :biggrin:

Yeah, CoolP.. It's not so much a 'habit again' but the chance to acquire aircraft that others have had long before I'd even heard of them as I only moved across to FSX in 2010, and moreover, if I can save 50% here and there, I can use that 50%, as a retiree, to fund other latest FSX/X-Plane 10 offings at 100%.

 

Don't you think that makes prudent sense? :Thinking: :Thinking: :Thinking:

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I have the lionheart Epic LT, too.

It's pretty good, certainly worth the new low price. The VC panel is extremely well done, the burled walnut panel in some versions of the plane looks especially gorgeous, but they all look pretty good. For glass displays the impact on frames is very low. The exterior model is deceptively simple in terms of physical detail and texture detail, but one has to remember that this aircraft has all-composite fuselage and wings, so rivets, seams, and joints are virtually non-existent. Most of the sounds emitted by the aircraft are excellent.

 

There's not an awful lot of functionality with the aircraft, but it's a turboprop, and operation of those in FSX are a bit simplified. Most of the buttons you see serve a purpose, however.

 

The aircraft is a bit overpowered so you must use the throttle very conservatively. Again, this is a reflection of the real-world aircraft.

 

The only gripes I have about the aircraft is that the running oil pressure always seems to show far too low pressure. I wish that a larger textures size was used for the fuselage exterior to give the schemes more crispness than they now have. Third-party repaints are lacking as well, thought the schemes that come with the package are great. Some of the button click sounds are too loud, as well as the "whoosh" sound you hear when you click on the yoke to make it disappear. Also, the suspension doesn't compress enough when you're on the deck and it tends to sit a bit tall, with the suspension elbow joints extended more than they would normally be.

 

Overall, a good, enjoyable, and fast FSX aircraft. It's not the best payware aircraft I ever purchased, but you can't go wrong for the new price.

 

I have nothing to add to your comments. I enjoy the Epic, particularly the glass panels, for IFR. This is a fun turbo-prop to fly. I certainly agree that is has plenty of power. It is a little hard to taxi (power on then power off), but, once you get the feel it works fine. Lionheart is easy to work with and stands behind his products. So, for $13.00 you really can't beat it.

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the nicest one is the Islander bn-2 from flight 1!

have a look great aircraft

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Don't you think that makes prudent sense? :Thinking: :Thinking: :Thinking:

Don't worry, the previous comment was more intended to be read with the :P in mind.

 

I think, regardless of the actual discount in place, good aircraft are worth the money while the ones gaining attraction due to their discount only represent a waste of money if they eventually stay in the hangar all the time.

 

Right you are, the chance of getting nice ones at lower prices shouldn't be missed. Just keep in mind that the 'percentage hunting' is ment to keep the wheel spinning by all means, so to speak. It therefore won't end soon once you've adapted to it.

 

Nice IFR twins would be the Milviz C310 or the older DA Cheyenne, not to forget the already mentioned Duke. A speedy single would be the Lancair IV-P from Orbx. Seems like Ryan has named that one too. RXP gauges would be a nice but not cheap addition to all of them. Less speedy but already coming with a great gauge will be the F1 C182T with the G1000.

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Thanks for that input, CoolP. I did not take your previous comment with anything other than what you originally intended it to be. I know you well enough to know that you are one of the few people in these Forums who is s 'perfect gent'.

 

Some very good points made in your reply. I already have the Lancair. Just want to add a nice single-engined, and have read some good things being said here about the Epic. I also have the Duke but for some obscure reason I've had an issue with it taking off from Darrington, such as not being able to get it off the ground, and never went back to it again.

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I also have the Duke but for some obscure reason I've had an issue with it taking off from Darrington, such as not being able to get it off the ground, and never went back to it again.

Assuming you are talking about the piston version. Was that a problem with running out of runway or something else? I don't know how Beech determines the performance data, reading some 1800+ ft, but the runway at Darrington, a full load and some high density altitude may indeed render the takeoff to a close encounter. I haven't tried her there so far.

 

The turbine is close to taking off vertically though. :biggrin: So whenever you say 'I need some more power' to her, she will respond with 'I (still) have plenty left'.

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Was that a problem with running out of runway or something else?

Spot-on CoolP. That is exactly what happens. I can get the Britten-Norman Islander off Darrington, including CaptSim's C-130, and yet with the Duke I end up in that forest, and when I do manage to her up, hand-flying her she just goes spinning in a lateral mode, so I just gave up.

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Makes me wanna try her at Darrington. I'll take that as a tip. Same for the C-130. :Party: I guess the BN2 was laughing at that long runway, being able to takeoff and land twice at that location and without flying the circuit.

 

Did you give her full rpm and mixture? Ok, a bit off topic now. :mellow: It's just that she's a great plane, not only in regard to the topic.

 

I've just tried her at Darrington with rw weather, some 20C, 50% fuel and the cabin full of wealthy folks (6). GW was 2.7t. Forget that takeoff, that's not a piston Duke field as you will get very close or beyond the runway limits with your required takeoff distance.

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I've just tried her at Darrington with rw weather, some 20C, 50% fuel and the cabin full of wealthy folks (6). GW was 2.7t. Forget that takeoff, that's not a piston Duke field as you will get very close or beyond the runway limits with your required takeoff distance

 

I take it that you are referring to the Duke here? If it is, then many thanks for that research. I was beginning to think that there was something with the Duke that just did not work for me, seeing that it has had its praises sung for so long.

 

Yes, that BN2 is a sheer joy to use at Darrington.Took off from there and over the mountains all the way to some Municipal airport as I was running low on fuel heading for Santa Barbara. It's a lovely twin-prop to use.

 

Same with the CaptSim C-130.

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I think the Duke B60 will cope with that runway, if you reduce the fuel load and carefully tune your mixture to compensate for the altitude, then line up at the bitter end of the runway, parking brakes on, full throttle, then release. You are stalling and spinning no doubt because you are climbing away too slow and too steep (probably to clear the trees!). The mixture is the most important since at the wrong setting you could be halving your available power.

 

Also try half flap,or just one notch. I feel sure you'll make it!

 

Rob - RealAir

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Agreed. The reduced load alone might give an edge. 2.7t didn't work out well and the trees came in huge. Nail%20Biting.gif

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Thank you Rob and CoolP. I'll try those suggestions when I get around to getting the Duke out of the hangar where 'he' is now moping!

 

Building time on a variety of other aircraft first.

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Hi ,

Wow that topic become`s hotter and hotter ;)

Very intresting comments , thanks for everybody ,

So regard to this topic and comments , the hot aircraft and the popular is :

Lionheart Epic L .

RealAir B60 Duke ( not turbine i dont like , too powerful ) .

BN-2

C337 .

 

Now help me choose ;)

Who has the comfortable cockpit ? BTW i dont care about the price , i just want realistic and super - cool & fun a/c .

Good OP Manuals + Books .

Autopilot .

DME , GPS , and the most important - realistic and common the the real life .

 

Help me choose please ;)

BTW I will be very happy to get some popular \ fun IFR routes .

 

Thank you all , really ! ,

Maor ;)

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You won't miss anything on the manuals of the Duke and BN-2. Very good reads while the Carenado plane comes with more basic data, but still offering e.g. performance tables and checklists. I can't comment on the Lionheart plane.

 

You will find the most capable autopilot in the Duke due to the touring character of the plane. The BN-2 has a very basic one, same for the C337. So while I see the Duke running complete IFR flights and longer autopilot flown portions, the other two differ from that character trait.

 

You won't have any trouble with the cockpits of those three. All of them are very good when it comes to nice gauges and sharp textures, but the Duke also adds some rain effects on the windshield, which is nice. You might see a slightly higher fps impact with the Duke though, but nothing severe.

From the sheer instrumentation and character, I think the Duke will be best for your IFR plans.

 

If you like to run a twin without a pressurized cabin and no turbocharged engines, then the Milviz C310 is an option I think. Full POH documentation, nice gauges, nice framerates and those new landing lights. Cruise speeds are lower and you won't fly her at high FL, which may act as positive or negative point of course.

 

In your list, the Duke is the only plane being able to reach quite high FL and pressurizing its cabin. For single engine, the Lancair from Orbx could do that too and cruises as fast as the turbine Duke if you like. Also comes with full a POH, rain effects and new landing lights.

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Ok i think i will go on the Duke B60 ,

BTW what kind of GPS it has ?

And there is a manual for the GPS ? because all the Garmin 1000 - that things i never get how to use it .

Maor .

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