Even in this forum there are a lot more than 3 using the software without problems.

 

Seriously ? I counted only 3 persons who were being "consistently" successful with your software. Firehawk44, Speedbird and lately grandfred.4 if you add your good self.

 

Would you visit the PRO-ATC/X forum, you would notice that most of the users are satisfied with the software after the latest patches

 

Seriously ?" Most of the users" ? Maybe because you silence those who have problems with the software (you blame their computer,addons, fsx settings) and/or ban them right away from your forums.-I know you did both.

 

I also noticed you had a sticky a few days ago.According to your sticky some people were blocked/banned because they were saying negative things without owning the product. That is propaganda.

 

When I look at a person that uses those "strategies" I don't see a person interested in his product or in his customers. I see a person with a big L on his forehead.

MindYerBeak, I wish you all the best.

 

Kind Regards

 

MBA

Timmer,

 

you are absulutely right " it shows there is a market for this type of software and worthy of putting in the effort to make it work well."

But I may add: to make it work at least satisfactorily before you put in on the market.

 

Regards, Andreas

Babba / MBA,

 

Should you not identify yourself as being commercially associated with Pro-ATC?

 

Whilst not suggesting you are doing anything improper there is a clear message at the top of this forum relating to those with commercial interests in flight sim software. http://forum.avsim.n...representation/

 

This section is expecially pertinent... If you are a member who has an affiliation with or involvement in commercial products, you are expected to say so with full disclosure to your fellow forum members.

As far as I can see, even the most patient and tenacious of users (firehawk44) wasn't able to do a flight without issues, even with version 1.0.3.0

 

Per the suggestion of Babba from ProATC, I changed the ILS frequency in the airport data section and have now flown two very successful flights from KLAX to KSFO and one from Bowerman to Victoria that I tried once before. I wasn't aware you could edit the airport data in ProATC. There's more work that needs to be done to this product but it works very well now with the default 737. I am going to do some flights in the iFly and PMDG 737's too.

 

Best regards,

Jim

I tried one of the default flights again, EDDM-LOWW, this time with the cruise speed set to 500 kts in the Pro ATC X profile. As per Babba's prediction, it did not work. Still ended up 12,000' high on the approach (and more testy 'negatives' when requesting lower), although good practice for boards and v/s on the PMDG 737!

 

Such a shame, because so much of the program is a really good idea and a bit of simple fun, and so much of it works well now. I suppose will have to await the next update, with a change to the descent routines.

 

Michael

Per the suggestion of Babba from ProATC, I changed the ILS frequency in the airport data section and have now flown two very successful flights from KLAX to KSFO and one from Bowerman to Victoria that I tried once before. I wasn't aware you could edit the airport data in ProATC. There's more work that needs to be done to this product but it works very well now with the default 737. I am going to do some flights in the iFly and PMDG 737's too.

 

Best regards,

Jim

i have been following this thread will wait to see if proatc handles the pmdg 737.

 

thanks,jim

How's the same flight go with FSX Stock ATC? Do you get something like ...expect vectors.. with PRO same as Stock ATC? What about TOD?

 

ATC can be scuppered by Ai traffic, turn down/off Ai traffic for a test. Some airports worse than others.

http://www.flightsimulatornetwork.com/gallery/image/7284-pushmepushyou/

 

 

Per the suggestion of Babba from ProATC, I changed the ILS frequency in the airport data section and have now flown two very successful flights from KLAX to KSFO and one from Bowerman to Victoria that I tried once before. I wasn't aware you could edit the airport data in ProATC. There's more work that needs to be done to this product but it works very well now with the default 737. I am going to do some flights in the iFly and PMDG 737's too.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Can you please stop saying that it woks when it clearly does not. You paid £40 and all you are doing is fixing their product. How many ils frequencies are you going to fix? How many waypoints are you going to report to these cowboys. Shouldn't something you paid £40 for do that? By endorsing this product over and over you are misleading people into parting with their hard earned cash. An atc programme either works or it dosnt because it has to get you from a to b. if anything goes wrong in between than it dosnt work. so in your on words more work needs to be done so it does not work. I admire the hard work that you are putting in are you sure you havnt been paid for all the positive feedbacks from Babba? Only joking but Babba needs to show a bit more respect. I'm so glad I got my refund and I went and spent it on the realair legacy. Wow and I only paid £25 for it. £25 for class and £40 for crap. Life is a mystery sometimes.

Can you please stop saying that it woks when it clearly does not.

 

LOL! ProATC has some other functions which I failed to explore trying to get this thing working like it should. I like the fact you can edit the airport data such as SID/STARS, frequencies, add your own voice sets, and add more atc background stuff. I can see setting up my own special STAR if I want. I don't recall Radar Contact being able to do that although I liked their feature where you could ask for another runway to land or take off from. The default FSX never heard of a SID/STAR unless you somehow incorporated it in your flight plan and, if you tried to use it with the PMDG 737 or any other commerical aircraft with an FMC, you would constantly receive complaints from ATC that you're not on the right course (when really you are). Babba has been very fair with me when I have dealt with him via e-mail and proved a bug exists. And he immediately responded when I mentioned here that the ILS freq at KSFO was in error. He could wait, like PMDG, several months and issue an SP whenever we all come up with bug reports but he does it as he sees conflicts so the customer can see the effects of the fix immediately. The real bad thing about that is the fact he didn't fix the bug you saw. Arguing with a developer is non-productive. If a system is crashing when using ProATC as it has been for MindYerBeak and no one else can replicate it, then I have to side with the developer. I don't mean to jump on MindYerBeak. He did find a bug and I duplicated it and Babba fixed it. He still has crashes though so a little frustrated. I still have some major issues with ProATC too. For instance, a commercial aircraft using the FMC for flight management doesn't need ATC constantly providing directions when the SID and the STAR and waypoints in between are known and set in the flight management computer. This procedures was great in the early days of flight but technology has taken over. All ATC needs to tell me is the approved SID/STAR and the runway. In fact I have watched several real flight videos where the major airlines submit their flight plan, it's approved, and they enter it in the FMC and that's it. Upon arrival, the Airline company gives the pilot the data they need for weather and landing and ATC is used only for vectoring to the glideslope. I do like the background ATC and it sound pretty realistic and gives a sense of realism. So we'll see what happens in the future. I like what I have now but realize many want much more for the $64 price. It's hard to make everyone happy. Thanks!

 

Best regards,

Jim

Hello Jim

How well will it work with addons that use their own Navdata, If it has its own database it will not match up to the SIDS and STARS in the FMC, I can see that being a problem.

Maybe not so much if it can export its plans including all the waypoints for import into the FMC, can it do that ?

Will it allow you to fly the SID that you have selected in your FMC and only resume ATC contact at the end of the SID ?

Will it allow a direct to any waypoint in your flight plan or allow you to fly any instrument approach you choose from your FMC, i.e will it leave you alone to fly the procedure then hand you off to Approach ?

I am watching this one as I was a user of the FS9 version and I am hopeful this one is more flexible.

So far I don't see anything that PFE + FDC does not already do with much more flexibility

Hi Jim,

I don't quite see why I should like the fact that I can edit airport data such as SID/STARS, and frequencies unless ProATC has them wrong.

Regards, Andreas

Hi Jim,

I don't quite see why I should like the fact that I can edit airport data such as SID/STARS, and frequencies unless ProATC has them wrong.

Regards, Andreas

 

So which ATC programs have SID and STAR's included?

Voxatc, if your flight plan is properly made it can even assign them to you automatically. It clearly is the best atc out there except maybe voices.

I am watching this one as I was a user of the FS9 version and I am hopeful this one is more flexible.

 

Mad Dog, I'll try to answer your questions but a lot of it can be found in the manual they have made available for download --

 

How well will it work with addons that use their own Navdata, If it has its own database it will not match up to the SIDS and STARS in the FMC, I can see that being a problem.

The ProATC SID/STARS should be the same as those found in... say, a PMDG 737 FMC. So, when ProATC tells you the runway you'll be departing and the SID, you just go into the FMC and enter the SID. Same as for arrivals and landing. You get to see your ProATC flight plan (you prepared it the way you wanted it) so you'll need to write down the waypoints in between the SID and STAR.

 

Maybe not so much if it can export its plans including all the waypoints for import into the FMC, can it do that ?

No.

 

Will it allow you to fly the SID that you have selected in your FMC and only resume ATC contact at the end of the SID ?

The SID in your FMC and in the ProATC program should be the same so ATC will vector you to the various waypoints contained within the SID then onwards to the first waypoint. This is one of the issues I posed above where, if you have a known SID/STAR, ATC doesn't need to vector you through it. You should be able to just fly it via the FMC then maybe have Center come in and give you the first waypoint enroute to your destination. Then, nearing the airport, ProATC should provide the STAR and approach runway so you can enter the data in your FMC. Then there will be no need for vectoring until you are on the glideslope and approach gives you the landing clearance.

 

Will it allow a direct to any waypoint in your flight plan or allow you to fly any instrument approach you choose from your FMC, i.e will it leave you alone to fly the procedure then hand you off to Approach ?

No. The whole flight is vectored from takeoff to landing.

 

Hope this answers your questions.

 

I don't quite see why I should like the fact that I can edit airport data such as SID/STARS, and frequencies unless ProATC has them wrong.

 

If they are wrong you can go in and edit them. I like that flexibility. Babba has stated they are working on having current NAV data downloaded into the program (maybe via Navigraph?).

 

Best regards,

Jim