ya know it does look pretty damn good.

I didn't even know about 0.54.1. I guess I'll download now!

I dont know, I think its too much money, Im going to wait until the Aerosoft, FSLabs and the BBS Extreme versions are out...then I'll read a bunch of reviews, watch youtube videos and purchase accordingly.

Good to see updates from BB are happening.

 

Maybe there will be one (as in SP1) for the 737 Professional some ........ day.

 

After that, I may consider this one.

A little offtopic but just to answer mr. vonmar. Talked with BBS already about a 737-200 patch some time ago, and they said that it´s not with them. Even that they are the developers of it, they say it´s Just Flight problem. So, i think we can forget about any patch for it and go fly something else.

 

Now, go back to airbus talk :Whistle:

Flavio,

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Black Box (developer 737 Professional and other models) should be interested in getting much needed product updates out to their paying customers ... or there will be (IMO) no future customer.

No, its actually the publishers responsibility to issue updates to products, not the developer. In many cases the developer are just contracted by a publisher to develop a certain product. The funding comes from the publisher, along with the specifications. Its important as a customer to realize that we have a contract with the store we bought from, and not the developer itself. Imagine if Justflight contracted Black Box to build an airplane to them. They developed it, and delivered it. As far as they are concerned, the product is finished. If Justflight feels like the product they sell needs an update then they need to fund that and contract a developer with the task of developing the patch. It would be unreasonable to expect a developer to do this for free. Frustration and anger should be aimed at the entity you have a contract with.

Yeah, I guess I am not going to buy anything from Just Flight anymore... They released Avro made by CLS with pretty horrible flight model with rudder not working at all, and I am very skeptical about them patching it some day as its not really unintentional problem but just lack of skill or effort from CLS.

 

Maybe I can tweak its flight dynamics myself or replace them with ones from QW, though it would take quite a bit of messing around with aircraft.cfg too I think.

I think the correction of bugs does not have anything to do with "funding" or specifications of the project. If the developer deliver to the publisher a defective product, in my opinion, there is a certain "obligation" to correct it. The customers don´t want any new feature, just that the features in the specification of the project works the right way. And it´s just the case of the 737-200. A product with many issues in the model, systems, sound, etc. When i got mine i questioned Just Flight about this problems and they reconized that there was endeed many problems with the model and they passed the issues list to the developer. And that was it. Unfortunately, not talking about a problem don´t make it go away.

 

And what is said "Frustration and Anger" ... that´s exactly what is get with a not finished (Inside the specifications) product. By the way, the 737 is comercialized directly in the BBS site (http://www.blackboxs...x/boeing737pro/) witch makes me think it´s not just a Just Flight product but a BBS product as well making them responsable for it too (It turns BBS the publisher too). If it was the other way, it should no appear in the Black Box page, correct?

 

I continue to think that it´s responsability of the developer, not the publisher. Don´t want to ignite a debate in this matter, because we have a lot better choices for the 737-200 and it´s not even the correct place to do it. After all we are debating about the Airbus. Please, don´t understand my words to a personal level, i´m just writing the way i see things. A customer view? Yes of couse. But why the customer should be negleted about who the responsability is? If i was a honorable developer i would take the responsability because that´s my good name in stake. Not hidind behind contracts.

Does this aircraft work with hardware that is calibrated through fsuipc? I have PFC (precision flight controls) hardware and as such that is why I cannot use the aerosoft A320 because all flight control commands are through simconnect, not fsuipc. If this one can be used with fsuipc I think I am going to buy it.

Yeah, I guess I am not going to buy anything from Just Flight anymore... They released Avro made by CLS with pretty horrible flight model with rudder not working at all, and I am very skeptical about them patching it some day as its not really unintentional problem but just lack of skill or effort from CLS.

 

Maybe I can tweak its flight dynamics myself or replace them with ones from QW, though it would take quite a bit of messing around with aircraft.cfg too I think.

 

Why are you sceptical? I have provided responses on numerous forums whenever a question has been asked about the product. We don't intentionally include bugs or inaccuracies in products (who would?). A lack of skill or effort? Seems very unfair, baseless and a bit of an odd statement to be honest...

 

We have a support section and a support team. If you encounter an issue with a product that you have purchased from us, please report it: http://www.justflight.com/support-contact

 

We can't promise to visit every forum and read every forum post. We will reply to every support request, even if its just to say that the bug will be fixed in an upcoming service pack.

We will see, I am not really talking about actual bug or individual problem but only flight model which isn't as good as I imagined it would be, of course this is just my subjective opinion as I have never flown BAE146, though at least rudder definitely should actually have some effect. But ok I will now report my concerns about FD official way to support now.

 

And like I was corrected after it seems that 737 professional on the other hand is project of Black Box Simulations and also sold by Black Box too, so I think it was unfair to blame JF for lack of service pack there. Just would like to see BAE146 rudder problem to be corrected in future and I would be happy with that product. Its not only problem with BAE 146 but generally pretty much all jetliners made by CLS, they seem to lack in rudder behavior although generally other than that I have found them FD to be acceptable. Of course this is just my personal opinion, many people seem to find no problem with these very same addons.

 

For example I find some of the turns made by RJ85 on this video completely impossible to do with Just Flight one:

 

 

Of course its different model, but would there really be so much difference between them?

I find the whole realistic flight dynamic claims to be subjective but only in the sense of.. i have never flown a real plane let alone the ones i buy on line so i would not truly know what realism is, as long as it performs close to the official published data then i will be happy. Ive only been a passenger in a plane and that will never qualify me to ever comment on the realism of flight dynamics. If the aircraft wont stall, is a rocket on the runway or floats down the runway then i would make a comment about the FD.

 

If i was to comment on rudder performance in fsx then i would say its biggest let down is the way we have our rudder peddles set up as i have mine set up so it takes a little bit more movement to turn the wheels when on the ground to make it easier to taxi which will have a knock on effect when in the air and i need a little bit of rudder. I do have my rudder set up in a none realistic way like the rest of us

 

It will be a hard choice for me to make when the other 2 airbuses are released but the thing that will win it for me is 2 things first ( FD is third ). VC texture quality then VC night lighting and the FD/systems will take third place, im not a screenshot artist and i fly the VC not the external so the quality of the vc im flying takes first place all the time for me.

Nortmar,

 

You mentioned:

"Why are you sceptical? I have provided responses on numerous forums whenever a question has been asked about the product. We don't intentionally include bugs or inaccuracies in products (who would?). A lack of skill or effort? Seems very unfair, baseless and a bit of an odd statement to be honest..."

 

 

As Flavio previously mentioned:

 

"Talked with BBS already about a 737-200 patch some time ago, and they said that it´s not with them. Even that they are the developers of it, they say it´s Just Flight problem. So, i think we can forget about any patch for it and go fly something else."

 

Is this true?

After all air file of CLS/JF BAE 146 isn't bad at all, by just changing to aileron_effectiveness = 4.0

rudder_effectiveness = 3.0 seemed to make aircraft fly really well. Now it turns like I would expect it to turn based on IRL videos and other jets, and also rudder has effect.