<br />At worst it means that their screening could be better. <br />

 

Time to screen the screeners. Maybe they can start a Department to watch the TSA and make sure they do their jobs correctly. What we need here folks is more government. That always fixes everything. :rolleyes:

What did he steal Rudder pedals? Ch Yoke? What does this have to do with flightsimming? But if I were to comment anyway on this I would say that these people are really poorly paid. My friend worked for TSA at JFK and had to quit and come back to SF because the pay was so low! Try living in Manhattan on 36,000/yr.

 

Also, when we speak of the bloated defense budget we need to include the Dept of Homeland Security etc. then we see how out of control defense spending really is especially when there are no Nation-State eneimies to defend AGAINST....just my opinion...back to flying now

What does this have to do with flightsimming?

 

Nothing, that's why this is called Hangar Chat .... some great topics in here a lot of the time.

 

I would say that these people are really poorly paid. My friend worked for TSA at JFK and had to quit and come back to SF because the pay was so low! Try living in Manhattan on 36,000/yr.

 

Regardless, that is not a defence for stealing. My God-daughter is working in Manhattan at the moment just for the experience and yes, it is expensive - as she says "in more than monetary terms".

 

Can't make any comments about bloated defence budgets as I am a proud Kiwi in NZ and luckily we are a hope to remain nuclear free with a minimal defence spend.

Get rid of TSA the whole department save taxpayer money. TSA not worth it, hurts avaition get fondle you to fly your own plane or board one. TSA stealing ipods to molesting childern in sick disguise in name of security. Security in place of freedom, no such thing politician sold this garbage after 911 took away civil liberties.

I can't decide which crime is worse - stealing the ipad, or setting someone up to steal an ipad the way the news media did. Why don't people see that as a crime also? They provided an overwhelming temptation and the result cost someone his career that may have otherwise turned out to be an honest man. What's the guy's track record look like? Is this his first offense? I didn't see anything in the report that said he'd had prior offences and I'm sure they'd have smeared that all over the report if he had. Bottom line is it's a crime that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't set him up. We have enough crime, we don't need people manufacturing more. Not defending the guy, but there are two guilty parties here in my opinion. Instead the media emerges in a white cape with a sparkle gleaming from their teeth. It's BS.

 

Jim

I can't decide which crime is worse - stealing the ipad, or setting someone up to steal an ipad the way the news media did. Why don't people see that as a crime also?

 

I agree entirely. Unfortunately, there are some cultures that believe that this acceptable.

Time for a reminder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

 

The control of one's temptations is still individual one's responsibility, isn't it? No, I think still is. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING THAT DO NOT RIGHTFULLY BELONG TO YOU. Yeah, I think that was the way I hear it the first time and the way I took it.

 

Cheers,

can't decide which crime is worse - stealing the ipad, or setting someone up to steal an ipad the way the news media did.

 

I do agree to some extent however I think some people would be more tempted then others. I am the kind of guy that wouldn't have been tempted but that is mostly because I am not materialistic and couldn't care less about other peoples stuff.

 

Given the reputation of the TSA he should have thought about either the Media doing something like that or an internal investigation as you bet both have been happening. He should have known better:

In April 2011 former Transportation Security Administration supervisor Dawn Nikole Keka, 35, pled guilty to one count of theft Friday in Honolulu District Court for stealing $200 from an undercover agent at Kona International Airport. The sting operation took place on the morning of March 11, 2011, after Japanese tourists complained to the TSA about missing money from their carry-on bags

 

Like has been said, this has only been the tip of the iceberg.

I can't decide which crime is worse - stealing the ipad, or setting someone up to steal an ipad the way the news media did. Why don't people see that as a crime also? They provided an overwhelming temptation and the result cost someone his career that may have otherwise turned out to be an honest man. What's the guy's track record look like? Is this his first offense? I didn't see anything in the report that said he'd had prior offences and I'm sure they'd have smeared that all over the report if he had. Bottom line is it's a crime that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't set him up. We have enough crime, we don't need people manufacturing more. Not defending the guy, but there are two guilty parties here in my opinion. Instead the media emerges in a white cape with a sparkle gleaming from their teeth. It's BS.

 

Jim

 

I can't disagree with you more. :Applause: Bravo for ABC for exposing these thieves in a sting that should have been done internally.

If they feel that they are underpaid, there are plenty of other things that they can do for a living. This position attracted them. They trained for it, they passed exams for it, they made sacrifices to acquire it, and they celebrated when they found out that they were hired, knowing the pay scale. Then their attitude went down the toilet and they felt that they had a right to steal from passengers who have nothing to do with their pay scale?...and you say "which is worse?"

If they felt that stealing was a retribution for a low pay scale, they should try stealing from their boss' parked car outside....oh, they would have got caught and gone to jail for that for sure! Well, they went to jail for this and maybe it will change their lives for the better.

My gosh, that guy was willing to let his wife take the blame and go to jail?!

Fortunately there are also people there who are willing to protect the innocent passengers.....sting!...gotcha! ouch! "Bad boy, whacha going to do when they come for you?"

Welcome to the age of cell phone cameras, smart phones and iPads. Think first ! Someone is ALWAYS watching! :t0103:

You're completely out of context mabe54, nobody here has said that it's morally OK to steal.

 

Jim

I can't disagree with you more. :Applause: Bravo for ABC for exposing these thieves in a sting that should have been done internally.

 

There was only 1 thief.

I can't disagree with you more. Bravo for ABC for exposing these thieves in a sting that should have been done internally.

 

There appears here to be two ways to approach life, as in the real world. One way is to set people up to fail and if you do so, there will always be some that will. Likewise, if you set people up to succeed, again, there will be some that will succeed.

 

The question remains - culturally, what gives anybody the right to set others up to fail? No wonder there is so much crap going on in this world.

I think there's setting people up to fail, setting people up to succeed and then presenting people with realistic scenarios and seeing how they react. If that was the case we should never do fire drills ect. in case people should fail them, these checks are there to ensure things are kept to a high standard, and having dealt with the TSA and other security outfits more than enough times over the years, I know all too well how they can abuse their position of power, heck anyone with a position of power is liable to abuse it. I guess I'm just saying that just because it was intentionally left there, doesn't mean they were setting out to incriminate him, people leave things behind them all the time, law enforcement should act properly if it were left there by accident or on purpose.

 

Regards,

Ró.

There appears here to be two ways to approach life, as in the real world. One way is to set people up to fail and if you do so, there will always be some that will. Likewise, if you set people up to succeed, again, there will be some that will succeed.

 

The question remains - culturally, what gives anybody the right to set others up to fail? No wonder there is so much crap going on in this world.

 

They set these folks up to succeed, just as much as they other way. If they were not doing anything wrong, they would have followed correct procedures, like they had been trained to do, and looked very professional, like many of the TSA employees that they did the same thing to and they followed their training.

These people are just thieves dressed in TSA uniforms and they should be removed from these positions.

I think there's setting people up to fail, setting people up to succeed and then presenting people with realistic scenarios and seeing how they react. If that was the case we should never do fire drills ect. in case people should fail them, these checks are there to ensure things are kept to a high standard, and having dealt with the TSA and other security outfits more than enough times over the years, I know all too well how they can abuse their position of power, heck anyone with a position of power is liable to abuse it. I guess I'm just saying that just because it was intentionally left there, doesn't mean they were setting out to incriminate him, people leave things behind them all the time, law enforcement should act properly if it were left there by accident or on purpose.

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

I agree completely. Any honest person, whether a TSA employee or not, would try to do the right thing in this situation, and wouldn't consider this a "sting" or a "trap". It would just be an opportunity to do the right thing. How can someone want to keep something that someone else worked hard for and considered a valued possession?

 

There was only 1 thief.

 

You didn't watch the whole video, did you?

It just takes one bad apple is all.....I can't think of any organization free of that one. One bad cop, one bad priest, one bad politician, etc etc etc. the list goes on.

one bad politician LMAO, well at least the TSA keep's the herd/media from focusing on them.