Well, no matter good or bad info the deal here is not many places on the net focus on how FSX runs on thier system.

Even if it is bad input, others with like systems can concur.

In the end we learn and that whats makes the differance .

So thank you for posting your findings "Flightbeam" . :friends:

This even happens in the screenshot forum when someone edits a screen capture and posts it .Although,No body says hey stop or don't post edited "fake" shots.

Lot of people are missing the real point of this. Forget the arbitrary FPS thing. Discussing FPS is just noise.

 

He managed to OC the IB to 5Ghz without delidding with a $80 cooler. And he is able to load and run FSX with it... even for a short while.

 

There is no interpretation issue with those facts he has stated. And I don't see why he would fib about it.

 

That's Amazing!

 

Not sure how many chips would allow one to OC to 5.0 at only 1.32v though.

 

Manny

Lot of people are missing the real point of this. Forget the arbitrary FPS thing. Discussing FPS is just noise.

 

He managed to OC the IB to 5Ghz without delidding with a $80 cooler. And he is able to load and run FSX with it... even for a short while.

 

There is no interpretation issue with those facts he has stated. And I don't see why he would fib about it.

 

That's Amazing!

 

Not sure how many chips would allow one to OC to 5.0 at only 1.32v though.

 

Manny

 

There is a caveat with this idea. He stated in a later post that it wasn't really stable just in general use, and he never even stress-tested for stability. If he fired up Prime 95/Intel Burn Test/some other stress test the system would surely crash. Can we say that's stable? I wouldn't.

 

He managed to OC the IB to 5Ghz without delidding with a $80 cooler. And he is able to load and run FSX with it... even for a short while.

 

 

Also, take into account that temps are probably outrageous. If he ran IBT without a delid at those voltages, temps would likely soar into the 90s.

Can we also add to the arbitrary FPS thing, that almost each user will perceive smoothness differently. While there might be a general consensus on something, like the vsync 1/2 refresh tweak, that virtually everyone perceived smoother, the FPS were in fact the same. 30 vs 30. So no, it doesn't always have to do something with the FPS, but FPS HELP. A lot, and non-drops below locked help even more.

 

Still... many perceive differently, and what's for one smooth, is for another stuttery.

and what's for one smooth, is for another stuttery.

 

I actually find it interesting what everyone perceives it as. I have noticed that I am extremely picky in this regard. If I am not 100% steady at 30FPS I can ALWAYS tell....

There is a caveat with this idea. He stated in a later post that it wasn't really stable just in general use, and he never even stress-tested for stability. If he fired up Prime 95/Intel Burn Test/some other stress test the system would surely crash. Can we say that's stable? I wouldn't.

 

True.. Would be good to know if he can either increase the V or decrease the OC to get it to stable and then post the metrics.

 

 

Also, take into account that temps are probably outrageous. If he ran IBT without a delid at those voltages, temps would likely soar into the 90s.

 

The temp is reasonable cause his voltage is reasonable.

 

"At 5ghz, Vcore is at 1.32v. Max temps 67c under stress tests. NO De-lidding was performed. I simply lapped the watercooler and CPU, and used good ol' AC5."

The temp is reasonable cause his voltage is reasonable.

 

"At 5ghz, Vcore is at 1.32v. Max temps 67c under stress tests. NO De-lidding was performed. I simply lapped the watercooler and CPU, and used good ol' AC5."

 

Woops... I overlooked that part of the post! :unsure:

 

Also, how much of a difference does lapping make? 5C, 10C?

I don't understand one thing...

 

At 5ghz, Vcore is at 1.32v. Max temps 67c under stress tests.

 

I can't say I've tested with Prime95 yet. You are correct though... its fairly unstable at 5ghz. Although I was able to run FSX for hours, It ha a bit of trouble getting into bios.

 

max temps 67c under stress tests but is not stress tested yet? :Thinking:

 

I just carefully watched what is going on, becouse i am still thinking, should i buy one 2700k for backup or 3770k is really better....

B247NG:

 

The decision is simple.

You plan to moderately OC, go 3770K.

You plan to OC decently, definitely go some cooling like water or so, 5ghz+, go 2700K.

 

That's my opinion.

 

You plan to moderately OC, go 3770K.

You plan to OC decently, definitely go some cooling like water or so, 5ghz+, go 2700K.

 

 

I don't see why someone can't buy a 2 dollar razor and delid.... IB @ 4.8GHZ is a good jump over SB at the same clockspeed.... Especially if paired with 2600MHZ DIMMs.

I don't see why someone can't buy a 2 dollar razor and delid.... IB @ 4.8GHZ

 

You don't need to de-lid to get 4.8GHz on the 3770k.

I would get a 3770K over a 2700K for the better clock vs clock performance on the Ivy (NOT my tests, just what I've heard and what Word Not Allowed said.) Also, Ivy's are becoming cheaper and they seem to support higher RAM clocks much better.

I don't see why someone can't buy a 2 dollar razor and delid....

 

Because not everyone dare or want to break the warranty this way!!! You talk about delidding like it has become daily procedure for each user buying an IB... :mellow:

 

I agree to all points where IB is better with faster memory, but still, 2700K will probably overcome the 3770K by some 400Mhz in the similar configuration (volts for 4.8 risk on 3770k vs volts for 5.2 risk on 2700k), on both having an ability to get the Intel warranty for $25 or so.

What will these 400Mhz bring really, has been discussed on the other thread. Can the memory and IB higher clock for clock ratio make up for the 2700K's bare speed with fast memory too? Good question...

 

And btw. 2700K is here cheaper than 3770K, by €10.

The magic freq is 4.8 ghz , its as easy as 5.1 on à 2700k.

Its no reason to by à 2700k if uppgrade today even if you

Dont want to deliddle.

And if you want to Go all out you hit à Wall on Sandy at 5.4-5.5 thats 5.1 on Ivy.

My conclusion is Go for 3770k you have no performance gain at all with the 2700k

I bet that à lot of the 2700k owners dont Agree , but its fact.

Before attack me , i have overclocked 2700k:s more than most of you have done.

 

Hasse