I still run XP at home, intentionally. The Corporate types at work have us on Windows 7, but we've got to live with IE8.

 

Personally, I'm happy with a desktop machine, most of the time. I don't need a smart phone. I don't want to watch movies on a 3-inch screen, either. So, all these tablet and smartphone oriented systems with app buttons have very little appeal.

 

more people than you may think still run XP. As for IE8 ditch it. It's no longer supported on avsim. In Europe we can "choose" what browser we use. almost everybody scraps IE8 as soon as possible!

Microsoft is like American auto maker producing medicore crap that crashes. Visita was distater and Windows 8 wont bother. The leadership at Microsoft needs to go the, company needs to be rebuilt, or it not gonna exist in 20 years.

Windows and Microsoft will always win. Why? Because they have the money. In this sad world we live in the winners will always be the the ones with the wealth. Deserved or otherwise.

 

Will be interesting to see how Windows 8 pans out anywho.

more people than you may think still run XP. As for IE8 ditch it. It's no longer supported on avsim. In Europe we can "choose" what browser we use. almost everybody scraps IE8 as soon as possible!

 

In our corporate environment, I don't control what's on my desktop. We have the IT Department for that, and they don't want us to use anything but IE8. I received a nasty-gram from some corporate bot that found Firefox on my machine. (I tried to remove it, but they've messed up the Windows 7 "temporary admin password" system, so I couldn't take it off.) Yes, Dilbert is alive and well where I work.

 

AVSIM is keeping up with modern browsers, and dropping support for outdated rubbish like IE8. Our Corporate IT Department, on the other hand, maintains a lot of corporate stuff from HR to Benefits to Payroll to Training, and they have gotten locked into old webware that won't work on newer browsers. So, they don't want anyone to upgrade, because that means more work for them.

 

I set my home page to Dilbert.com, but every week or so I find another corporate bot has come along and hijacked it back to the company's home page, which is comical but not very funny.

Windows and Microsoft will always win.

 

So thought Kodak!! ( In the 70's they held about 90% of the market share). Nowadays?

Sad, but true.

 

BTW; I wish nothing but the best for Microsoft, time will tell if Windows 8 is a hit or miss.

 

Cheers.

In our corporate environment, I don't control what's on my desktop. We have the IT Department for that, and they don't want us to use anything but IE8. I received a nasty-gram from some corporate bot that found Firefox on my machine. (I tried to remove it, but they've messed up the Windows 7 "temporary admin password" system, so I couldn't take it off.) Yes, Dilbert is alive and well where I work.

 

AVSIM is keeping up with modern browsers, and dropping support for outdated rubbish like IE8. Our Corporate IT Department, on the other hand, maintains a lot of corporate stuff from HR to Benefits to Payroll to Training, and they have gotten locked into old webware that won't work on newer browsers. So, they don't want anyone to upgrade, because that means more work for them.

 

I set my home page to Dilbert.com, but every week or so I find another corporate bot has come along and hijacked it back to the company's home page, which is comical but not very funny.

 

The EU is about to screw MS yet again for not complying with the law that allows users to have a free choice of browsers incl. businesses. With Win8 they "forgot" accidentally on purpose to include the options.

I think the real point is it's more about WinRT not 8. You use RT on your surface, then you want something compatible on a notebook for those few times you can't get it done on a tab.

 

scott s.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-20054674

 

Microsoft has started shipping its first Surface tablet computers ahead of their official launch on Friday.

The firm's UK site says it has sold out of pre-orders for the 32GB version of the device, which runs the RT version of Windows 8.

 

Although Microsoft has not disclosed sales figures, it said that pre-orders of the 32GB version of the tablet - which costs £399 - had "temporarily sold out" in the US, Canada, France, Germany and the UK within a day of going on sale.

 

There are also companies that will be deploying these en masse to 10,20,30,40 50,000 employees and more... They have specifically held off IOS or Android waiting for W8RT because it IS Microsoft which is what their entire corporate infrastructure is built around... Do you know how many companies have built authentication around Active Directory, Winlogon, the MS GINA and MS PKI. Not to mention the number of LARGE and I mean the largest of the large corporations in the world looking at MS Direct Access for network extension and remote access these devices are a perfect fit.

Honestly I think the Microsoft Surface is intriguing. My nose smells a technical success, and I tend to trust the old nose. Whether its a marketing success is a bird of a different color.

 

I'm not so sure that Gizmodo would agree with you, certainly at this point in time.

 

"We hadn’t looked forward to something this much in a long, long time. Now it’s here. And it’s been just as long a time since a gadget has been so disappointing. Surface is good, but Surface RT sure isn’t the future. Not yet".........

 

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/10/microsoft-surface-rt-review-this-is-technological-heartbreak/

I'm not so sure that Gizmodo would agree with you, certainly at this point in time.

 

"We hadn’t looked forward to something this much in a long, long time. Now it’s here. And it’s been just as long a time since a gadget has been so disappointing. Surface is good, but Surface RT sure isn’t the future. Not yet".........

 

http://www.gizmodo.c...cal-heartbreak/

 

But are those fatal flaws, or teething pains.....? I still think that technically, it seems a very competent device, but I am not sure that it could ever have lived up to the overblown marketing hype. (What does?)

 

And as I mentioned, the top down attempt to make the interface seem similar across all devices is forced, and now it seems like that might cost them. A previous article about trouble at Microsoft pointed out the dangers of being unwilling to let go of the past and strike out in truly new directions.

I agree with Devon. MS still has a large market share and many will embrace these new technologies. Some will abandon for Android or Apple.

 

Back in MS-Dos days and Windows 3.1 the competition was from Apple and IBM (OS/2). Today it is Apple and Google. I don't think they will regain the market share they had when Windows 95 was launched and they had many teething problems then (Blue Screens). This new launch will have issues too.

But are those fatal flaws, or teething pains.....? I still think that technically, it seems a very competent device, but I am not sure that it could ever have lived up to the overblown marketing hype. (What does?)

 

And as I mentioned, the top down attempt to make the interface seem similar across all devices is forced, and now it seems like that might cost them.

 

I'm not sure at this stage, but as a business owner, I think it has a way to go before I build it into my company budget (not withstanding the constant pressure I get from my reps for an iPad !)

 

The interface, from what I have seen, seems to be focused more on social interaction than business functionality. So until things become a bit clearer I have to stand on the fence.

You know, thinking about it, the devices have changed, but its really just the same OS players we have had for years. Microsoft with the Surface, Apple with iOS, and Android is just Googles version of Linux.

 

Very ture but do we need more choice, I use win7, Ubuntu and android 4.1.2. ( Jelly Bean on a Nexus 7 ). Inovation has been lost now and probalby we wont see again in a long time in what ever operating system we choose to use as we are just seeing recycled idea's.

 

p.s. iOS is just apples version of Unix if you didnt know.

And Unix begat Linux which begat........

 

What a tangled web.

 

As for do we need more choice....... that's the real question, isn't it? Microsoft enters this market pretty darn late, and just like with windows 8 on the desktop, the question is, is there any real need for the product?

 

Its compounded by the bare shelves of their app store, and with App developers already expressing frustration with Android fragmentation, are they going to be very quick to jump on yet another platform? And if not, do you trust Microsoft to stay the course and fill the store themselves?

 

Based on what? Microsoft has not exactly shown any great ability to stay the course recently. Anybody want to be stranded with an unsupported 1st generation surface when Microsoft moves on?

Not me Devon, I will miss out on the sufrace unless there is a bit of a price drop, I did hear that Microsoft surface that uses the amd cpu will be able to run android software so it does make me wonder just how close the surface os is to the android os with that cpu.

 

I do agree though if Microsft decided to have a life span of a year or two on the 1st gen surface there will be a lot of people stranded which wont be good for Microsoft but with google releasing a new version of android every 6 months to a year that is also not so good.

 

The only thing Apple has going for it imo is its standardization between its devices and that shows between the ipad mini and the standerd ipad but im sure it wont be long before they update the screen to a HD res and that becomes the norm for them. Android devices are all over the place but im happy with my little 7" Nexus 7 and its HD screen

 

With companys like Valve puting more effort in to Lunix platforms we can only hope others do as well and it becomes more of a platform for running out sims and software.