you yanks astound me in one breath you support the second amendment in the other you abhorre the recent events , it is not as if these events are rare is it? who knows the next time it happens it may be your kids or grandchildren how will you justify the carrying of weapons then???

What are you guys so scared of???? the boogey man???

you go around the world in exactly the same mind set destabilising the world, going into countries where you dont belong killing foreign nationals why??

 

because im scared of the boogey man!!

 

sooner or later you are going to have to grow up an accept that the second amendment written in 1776 when you were terrified of british boogey men doesnt hold water in the modern world

grow up

you yanks astound me in one breath you support the second amendment in the other you abhorre the recent events , it is not as if these events are rare is it? who knows the next time it happens it may be your kids or grandchildren how will you justify the carrying of weapons then???

What are you guys so scared of???? the boogey man???

you go around the world in exactly the same mind set destabilising the world, going into countries where you dont belong killing foreign nationals why??

 

because im scared of the boogey man!!

 

sooner or later you are going to have to grow up an accept that the second amendment written in 1776 when you were terrified of british boogey men doesnt hold water in the modern world

grow up

I'm 40% Canadian :canada-flag: / 60% European(Greece) be nice, it"s the holidays!

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Look into the eyes of the slain childrens parents and tell them that! !

 

"The proof in the pudding is that in every other industrialized nation except the United States, they have reasonable gun control laws, and they have hundreds of people killed each year -- not 9,000 or 10,000 a year -- killed by guns."

Didn't take long for people's agendas to come roaring out. Unreal.

Look into the eyes of the slain childrens parents and tell them that! !

 

"The proof in the pudding is that in every other industrialized nation except the United States, they have reasonable gun control laws, and they have hundreds of people killed each year -- not 9,000 or 10,000 a year -- killed by guns."

I have a 10yr old daughter and many little nephews and nieces, I just can't imagine what the victim's families are going through right now 2 weeks before Christmas(kid's favorite holiday)

Kaitlin Roig :clapping: :good:

 

You can't watch this without crying. For her to have to think about the last comforting words her class will hear.

You can't watch this without crying. For her to have to think about the last comforting words her class will hear.

I know, I cried also. Actually all my friends and family cried watching this video.

Many good comments in this thread. Sadly, I also am old enough to not be in shocked by this any more. Desensitized? I guess I am. Still hate to hear about it. Can't imagine what those involved are going through.

 

Idiots in this world give a bad rep for the rest of us more balanced folk. Makes me want to move to a small cabin in the woods in the middle of no where.

Makes me want to move to a small cabin in the woods in the middle of no where.

hmmmmmm! just like the Unabomber years ago :lol:

Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (/kəˈzɪnski/ ka-ZIN-skee, or ka-CHIN-skee; Polish: Kaczyński, pronounced [kaˈt͡ʂɨȷ̃skʲi]; born May 22, 1942), also known as the "Unabomber", is an American terrorist, mathematician, social critic, anarchist, and Neo-Luddite.^[2] Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski engaged in a nation-wide bombing campaign against modern technology, planting or mailing numerous home-made bombs, killing three people and injuring 23 others.

Kaczynski was born in Chicago, Illinois, where, as a child prodigy, he excelled academically from an early age. Kaczynski was accepted into Harvard University at the age of 16, where he earned an undergraduate degree, and later earned a PhD in mathematics from the University of Michigan. He became an assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley at age 25, but resigned two years later.

In 1971, he moved to a remote cabin without electricity or running water, in Lincoln, Montana, where he lived as a recluse while learning survival skills in an attempt to become self-sufficient.^[3] He decided to start a bombing campaign after watching the wilderness around his home being destroyed by development, according to Kaczynski.^[3] From 1978 to 1995, Kaczynski sent 16 bombs to targets including universities and airlines, killing three people and injuring 23. Kaczynski sent a letter to The New York Times on April 24, 1995 and promised "to desist from terrorism" if the Times or the Washington Post published his manifesto, Industrial Society and Its Future (also called the "Unabomber Manifesto"), in which he argued that his bombings were extreme but necessary to attract attention to the erosion of human freedom necessitated by modern technologies requiring large-scale organization.

The Unabomber was the target of one of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's costliest investigations. Before Kaczynski's identity was known, the FBI used the title "UNABOM" (UNiversity & Airline BOMber) to refer to his case, which resulted in the media calling him the Unabomber. The FBI pushed for the publication of Kaczynski's "Manifesto" which led to his brother and his wife recognizing Kaczynski's style of writing and beliefs from the manifesto, and tipping off the FBI.^[4] Kaczynski tried unsuccessfully to dismiss his court appointed lawyers because they wanted to plead insanity in order to avoid the death penalty, as Kaczynski did not believe he was insane.^[5] When it became clear that his pending trial would entail national television exposure for Kaczynski, the court entered a plea agreement, under which he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. He has been designated a "domestic terrorist" by the FBI.^[6] Some anarcho-primitivist authors, such as John Zerzan and John Moore, have come to his defense, while holding some reservations about his actions and ideas

Yeah, with all this rubbish around and humankind going towards hell I often feel like it would be nice to live away from all this madness. If I could just get a nice house from some relaxed paradise island in the Pacific or Caribbean, with internet connection and some land around to grow some of my food I would be just happy.

 

After many shootings happening in this country too I've become so used to these news... What a mad world this is.

Yes let's alter the Second Amendment, after that the pesky Fourth it gets in the way of law enforcement. And that First, some people say things that get them killed so its for our own good we abolish it as well. After all they're outdated from hundreds of years ago.

 

Politics have nothing what so ever to do with evil. Evil is what happened. Criminals do evil things. I'm flabbergasted that political garbage has already poked its head into this thread.

 

As an American citizen I too am greatly saddened by these events and if I could do something to help these people I would. However, I feel there is a bigger picture here that we have to remain mindful of. I fear that with the way western society, economy and government is going that there is going to come a time when we, the populace, will have greater need of the ability to defend ourselves with armaments than ever before. It may ultimately be the only thing that saves us from the horrifying predictions of Dystopian futures that have been written about so much.

sooner or later you are going to have to grow up an accept that the second amendment written in 1776 when you were terrified of british boogey men doesnt hold water in the modern world

grow up

 

 

Hi Guys, I am half American and half Canadian watching this story from New Zealand, New Zealand and Canada are two countries with strict gun laws and neither country is immune to this sort of thing. Both have shootings and tragedies as well, this is the dark side of mankind and this sort of evil has no national origin,

 

In New Zealand the gun laws are so strict that even the police are not allowed to carry a gun here. That alone shows a big difference, however with gun laws as strict as that doesn't prevent a citizen from building up an arsenal of weapons, here is an example of a guy that was armed to the teeth and had barricaded his property in what is a very nice family neighbourhood in Napier, New Zealand:

 

http://en.wikipedia....apier_shootings

 

What the USA decides to do following this event is up to the USA, for the rest of the world I think it is best to allow our American Friends the chance to make changes as they see fit and not meddle in its affairs. This is how a nation learns and grows from the outcome of events such as this one.

 

For me I know longer actively participate as an American because I left it, but look to my family and friends back home to advocate change where they see fit as this is their country and their home.

 

All the best everyone.

Having 3 kids myself and many nieces and nephews, I'm more than shocked by this, yet these things seem to happen and happen, over and over and over.

 

I know this is apparently a "hot" issue stateside, but does anyone know the exact laws relating to the purchase and carrying of guns in the US. I know Chase earlier compared a gun to a car and how it's the person behind the wheel that does the damage and that the car itself is just an instrument, so I assume that yee at least need a license to carry or buy a gun in the US right? Like a car, you'd have to be able to demonstrate the basics and show that you wouldn't put anyone's life at risk by owning a gun/car before you could get one right?

 

I don't know why people think that this isn't a time to debate gun control and regulation, seems like the perfect opportunity to me.

 

Curious to know the exact system that operates in the US if anyone is willing to fill me in.

 

Regards,

Ró.

Having 3 kids myself and many nieces and nephews, I'm more than shocked by this, yet these things seem to happen and happen, over and over and over.

 

I know this is apparently a "hot" issue stateside, but does anyone know the exact laws relating to the purchase and carrying of guns in the US. I know Chase earlier compared a gun to a car and how it's the person behind the wheel that does the damage and that the car itself is just an instrument, so I assume that yee at least need a license to carry or buy a gun in the US right? Like a car, you'd have to be able to demonstrate the basics and show that you wouldn't put anyone's life at risk by owning a gun/car before you could get one right?

 

I don't know why people think that this isn't a time to debate gun control and regulation, seems like the perfect opportunity to me.

 

Curious to know the exact system that operates in the US if anyone is willing to fill me in.

 

Regards,

Ró.

I killed a person with my car a few years ago by accident. I hit a pedestrian jaywalking while the light was green for me, it was a dark rainy night and I didn't see him. I guess if I didn't have a driver's license, that man would still be alive. I think about him and his family everyday but they hate me :( I was traumatized for 6months and had flashbacks/nightmares every day. My local police offered me free therapy by a Police Psychiatrist that helped me get through and they told my parents to buy me a dog to get my mind of the accident so I bought a little male puppy Golden Retriever and named him Flash.

I killed a person with my car a few years ago by accident. I hit a pedestrian jaywalking while the light was green for me, it was a dark rainy night and I didn't see him. I guess if I didn't have a driver's license, that man would still be alive. I think about him and his family everyday but they hate me :(

Slightly different case though, that was an accident that likely could not have been prevented on your part. Both guns and cars have the power to be deadly even in very capable hands, people who've been driving for years can have accidents, just as mentally sound, fully competent gun owners can be involved in accidents, the thing to get at here is that if you weren't mentally, if you were under the influence of alcohol, if you hadn't received proper training in the operation of a car/gun, then the risk and odds of accidents increases dramatically.

 

That's why we license things like driving, you do your practice, you show that you're capable to an examiner, and if they're satisfied that you can safely operate it, that you know what you're doing, that you don't pose a risk, that you're of sound mental capacity, you're free to drive whatever and whenever you want.

 

Sorry to hear you were involved in an accident. I'd imagine it'd be quite traumatic, never been in an accident myself, did hit a badger once mind you, but there are times when I've had to slam on the breaks and you wonder that if at that moment you had glanced somewhere else on the road, or in your mirrors then someone would have died. Scary stuff.

 

Regards,

Ró.