If the names of shooters are permanently withheld and all these sickos know there is not going to be any posthumous notoriety or fame where is the motivation? Now that it has come out that the shooter's Mother was not at the school or working at the school I can only see two reasons for targeting the school: 1. That is where his problems in life began or 2. To make a name for himself in life or death and the news has done just that for him...

 

The gun is a tool, if you build a house and it falls down you blame the contractor not the hammer (which can also be used to murder see Lizzie Borden)... So why in this case do you blame the gun and not the person? Just food for thought...

 

 

And yes, I do take great offense at those that sit on their high horse from the other side of the pond and judge... Did we judge during the London riots? Did we throw salt on the wounds? No, we offered support, try it...

Some kids/adults are unstable and snap after watching a movie or video game, the following link is a movie that was made and available on Netflix and around the world, this movie is a perfect example:

http://youtu.be/W1nZOhEb1Uc

this movie shocked me and disgusted me in every possible way you can imagine.

So why in this case do you blame the gun and not the person? Just food for thought...

 

I do believe more needs to be done in funding for mental health. A healthy mind is good for society and too often people are lost and forgotten too many times.

Surely trhe point of this thread was to allow us to express our symparhy with those who lost their children and will have to face this, and every future .Christmas without them...

 

It sickens me that we have members who think this is an opportunity to push their political agendas - whatever they may be. Do they not have a shred of humanity?

Surely trhe point of this thread was to allow us to express our symparhy with those who lost their children and will have to face this, and every future .Christmas without them...

 

It sickens me that we have members who think this is an opportunity to push their political agendas - whatever they may be. Do they not have a shred of humanity?

it's not over yet, this horror will not stop. There will be more shootings and we just can't stop it or predict where/when it will happen. As I mentioned in a previous thread a few months ago about flightsim/video game addiction: I live across a 22yr old who quit highschool to stay home and play shooting/killing games 20hours a day. His parents are divorced and have been to prison(Mom for weapons/drugs and father for murder). This young man wears the same black clothes everyday for the past 4 months, has no friends, never had a girlfriend AND THIS SUMMER he came to my home to show me a gun catalog......he wants to buy his favorite gun from a video game. All my neighbours are afraid of him but we can't do anything about it until or if he snaps. I predict in the next few years that this young man will kill but no one will help him, not even his parents. His mom took away his xbox for 2 days last winter and the boy slashed his wrists. Now the mom leaves him play video games all day in his room.

it's not over yet, this horror will not stop. There will be more shootings and we just can't stop it or predict where/when it will happen. As I mentioned in a previous thread a few months ago about flightsim/video game addiction: I live across a 22yr old who quit highschool to stay home and play shooting/killing games 20hours a day. His parents are divorced and have been to prison(Mom for weapons/drugs and father for murder). This young man wears the same black clothes everyday for the past 4 months, has no friends, never had a girlfriend AND THIS SUMMER he came to my home to show me a gun catalog......he wants to buy his favorite gun from a video game. All my neighbours are afraid of him but we can't do anything about it until or if he snaps.

To quote Matthew above:

I do believe more needs to be done in funding for mental health. A healthy mind is good for society and too often people are lost and forgotten too many times.

 

How many people have REALLY reached out to speak to/help this young man across the street from you? Already comments about the shooter in CT. being a loner as well... So much more needs to be done...

it's not over yet, this horror will not stop. There will be more shootings and we just can't stop it or predict where/when it will happen. As I mentioned in a previous thread a few months ago about flightsim/video game addiction: I live across a 22yr old who quit highschool to stay home and play shooting/killing games 20hours a day. His parents are divorced and have been to prison(Mom for weapons/drugs and father for murder). This young man wears the same black clothes everyday for the past 4 months, has no friends, never had a girlfriend AND THIS SUMMER he came to my home to show me a gun catalog......he wants to buy his favorite gun from a video game. All my neighbours are afraid of him but we can't do anything about it until or if he snaps. I predict in the next few years that this young man will kill but no one will help him, not even his parents. His mom took away his xbox for 2 days last winter and the boy slashed his wrists. Now the mom leaves him play video games all day in his room.

 

You make my point for me.

To quote Matthew above:

 

 

How many people have REALLY reached out to speak to/help this young man across the street from you? Already comments about the shooter in CT. being a loner as well... So much more needs to be done...

I emailed my local police station about him 5mins ago, lets see what they say. I will post the reply when I get it.

I do believe more needs to be done in funding for mental health. A healthy mind is good for society and too often people are lost and forgotten too many times.

 

Please forgive my cynicism, but my observation is that the same American politicians most supportive of gun ownership are also the ones most likely to actually cut treatment programs of almost any sort as too expensive. Between 2009 and 2011, states cumulatively cut more than $1.8 billion from their budgets for mental health services, and its easy to check those figures. At least two-thirds of states significantly slashed spending for services for children and adults living with mental illness.

 

Since the shooting at Virginia Tech University, 14 more spree killings have ended 135 lives and injured 167 people when mentally disturbed and heavily armed individuals have decided to wreak havoc. Worse, the pace of spree killings is increasing and so is the extent of the violence.

 

Yet round and round we go. I have lost hope that sanity will poke its ugly head into any proposed discussion of these issues, no matter what the impetus.

Your self-righteous pontification shows both ignorance of your own country's history and the reality of your country's role in the world. Do Dunblane and the earlier massacre at Hungerford ring a bell with you? They should. For you to hold up our constitution as a thing to wax condescending about is over the top.

 

I know the Hungerford story from up close and personal experience and witnessed the impact it had for years. I first visited there about six months after the massacre. I stayed at the Bear Hotel, on the corner of the high street where the majority of people were killed. I spent many weeks there over the next 15 or so years and in fact, was married in Shalbourne, a small village not more than 4 miles or so down the road from there.

 

I would suggest you read up on a bit of your own country's history and that of many others in regards to things like this tragedy before you come back here and put your foot in your mouth again. And, I will also take the opportunity to tell you that you have one or two days to change your user id, or I will do it for you. Not all users here are ignorant of the meaning of yours, including me.

 

Interesting to see that your only agenda in this matter is the name and view of one member. You being the publisher I would have expected a bit more insight and compassion. All you do here is making this a personal matter because you have a problem with a name. Not a single word of compassion.

Sad, very sad.

I just saw this thread and can't describe the feeling I have in how these kids and teachers were killed. Columbin was one thing but this is horrific beyond belief. It's like something being ripped out of you and a space is there that can never be filled. I have a young 9 year old son and although I'm thankful he's safe it's just the thought of what others went through that could happen to any of us is what's troublesome (no matter how safe we think the neighborhood is). I wish we could go back in time and catch this idiot and beat his brains out before he was able to hurt those teachers and kids. That's a fall I would have gladly took... I'm not one of those people that like to coddle the mental illness bandwagon. Evil is evil and needs to be dealt with. Cases like this call for an immediate death penalty in my book. If he went to prison it's a known fact he wouldn't last in the general population of prisoners after something like this. Killing himself was the easy way out and he knew it... It leaves us with a since of no true justice being able to be carried out and no example can be made of someone like this.

 

As far as gun laws we've had a near mass murder in a church in Colorado (I believe that was the location) but the gunman was stopped cold by someone else with a gun. I agree that assault riffles and the like should be banned but we have a very grave criminal problem in the United States that's partly due to the garbage we put out in the name of free speech People need to be able to protect themselves from things like home invasions and gang violence. I've personally seen how Gangster Rap's rise in the late 90's has taken us back to basic savagery in the inner cities of America. All other styles of music come and go within 10 years but this crap has stayed around for the last 20 years and has impacted all other forms of music. What's now being said in all forums of music pop and otherwise incorporate a level of decadency we've never seen before. It legitimizes the criminal aspects of society and elevates individual narcissism at the expense of everyone else (basically creating a 'I'm the greatest and everyone else can go to hell' mentality and 'if you cross me I'll help you get there quicker' mindset). All the strides of the 60's, 70's, and 80's has went in reverse. Hollywood has all but done away with meaningful programming and is a big cause of the dumbing down of values in American. Last but not least is the media and it's sensationalization of all this. I'll give credit to CNN and other news outlets over the last few years where they try to bring some positive messages in the face of all this madness but allowing such decadence to fester unchecked for the last 20+ years, the damage is done. On one hand in America take God out of everything (Christian, Islam, and otherwise) in society, curtail Christmas (Happy Holidays, as religious holidays can be offensive to some) but in times like these people show back up in church. We as a society have to make up our minds. If your going to embrace anything goes, anything can truly go and have unforeseen adverse affects. Don't get me wrong an atheist can have values (heck I'm Agnostic) but the concept of values has been put on the back burner in America... I can understand fighting for your country and wars which is a fact of life but to go in and kill innocent children is truly horrifying... Who can you blame, what was the cause in this person's mind, what was this person thinking and why? I concede the best at this point is a band on assault riffles and firearms of that type. We have to do this but I'm truly amazed without words how anyone could attack and kill children like this. I know I'm rambling but I'm still very affected by what happened to these kids...

I just saw this thread and can't describe the feeling I have in how these kids and teachers were killed. Columbin was one thing but this is horrific beyond belief. It's like something being ripped out of you and a space is there that can never be filled. I have a young 9 year old son and although I'm thankful he's safe it's just the thought of what others went through that could happen to any of us no matter how safe you think the neighborhood is. I wish we could go back in time and catch this kid before he did the deed and beat his brains out. I not one of the people that like to coddle the mental illness bandwagon. Evil is evil and needs to be dealt with. Cases like this call for an immediate death penalty in my book.

I'm having a hard time simming after Friday, these killings have changed me in some way. I can't concentrate yet, all my friends/family are talking about the shooting, I went out to a Restaurant for dinner last night and everyone was talking about the shooting and had a TV with the news on, etc. I tried to flightsim earlier a small route but I just couldn't do it :(

Interesting to see that your only agenda in this matter is the name and view of one member. You being the publisher I would have expected a bit more insight and compassion. All you do here is making this a personal matter because you have a problem with a name. Not a single word of compassion.

Sad, very sad.

 

Yeah, it's called moderation.

 

You want me to come in here and bare my soul to the community so you can believe I don't have some other agenda? Okay... I can do that for you. I have seen more dead children up close and personal than most non-medical types will ever want to see. I have nightmares about dead children and their grieving parents (if they too survived)... I was a contract evidentiary photographer for the California Highway Patrol in the mid-70's in the worst region of California for highway fatalities... The El Dorado district, which includes highway 50 between Sacramento and South Lake Tahoe.. "The Killer Highway" as it was known as in those days. Yes, I have more compassion than you can imagine for the families that are struggling with their loss - I have been there up close and I have images and sounds stored in my head that will never go away... I stopped wearing my compassion on my sleeve many years ago. That doesn't mean I am without. You might not want to be so quick to judge... as you seem to feel you have the right to do.

Yeah, it's called moderation.

 

You want me to come in here and bare my soul to the community so you can believe I don't have some other agenda? Okay... I can do that for you. I have seen more dead children up close and personal than most non-medical types will ever want to see. I have nightmares about dead children and their grieving parents (if they too survived)... I was a contract evidentiary photographer for the California Highway Patrol in the mid-70's in the worst region of California for highway fatalities... The El Dorado district, which includes highway 50 between Sacramento and South Lake Tahoe.. "The Killer Highway" as it was known as in those days. Yes, I have more compassion than you can imagine for the families that are struggling with their loss - I have been there up close and I have images and sounds stored in my head that will never go away... I stopped wearing my compassion on my sleeve many years ago. That doesn't mean I am without. You might not want to be so quick to judge... as you seem to feel you have the right to do.

 

I appreciate you coming out explaining this. And by no means was this meant to judge you or anybody else. Sorry if it came across that way.

I appreciate you coming out explaining this. And by no means was this meant to judge you or anybody else. Sorry if it came across that way.

 

I think people deal with things in many different ways, you will find we are a good bunch of people on here. Communicating in a forum can be like tunnel vision sometimes and a person's point doesn't always get across the same as it would when you are talking to someone in person.