May 13, 201313 yr #1. Joe Montana #2. Steve Young #3. Jim Kelly #4. John Elway #5. Here I have a tie Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning,the reason being Troy Aikman did win more Superbowls than Manning, but Manning is the ultimate professional QB. I didn't add Tom Brady, because I feel he is a product of Belicheck system,and would be irrelevant in any other system, IMHO! Thanks, O. Skinner
May 13, 201313 yr You left out that guy from Miami, you know, the one that owns more QB records than anyone else. :wink: Dan Marino #13. John Hubbard MSFS2020 - Win10
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May 13, 201313 yr #1. Joe Montana #2. Steve Young #3. Jim Kelly #4. John Elway #5. Here I have a tie Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning,the reason being Troy Aikman did win more Superbowls than Manning, but Manning is the ultimate professional QB. I didn't add Tom Brady, because I feel he is a product of Belicheck system,and would be irrelevant in any other system, IMHO! Yeah that great Belichick QB development system that worked so well for any of the other QB's the patriots drafted and for any of the browns QB's :rolleyes: At the NFL level it's impossible to be a product of the system, the defenses are too fast and too good. Brady is a great QB because he has perfect mechanics and his pocket presence. Only QB I have seen as good at making a defender miss a sack with a timely step up into the pocket was Marino. He does have some flaws in his game same as any other player but Brady is defiantly one of the best I have seen play the game. Anybody who can't see that is either a hater or just does not know the game and what they are looking at. You don't have Manning in your list and he is at worst 3rd best.. .. Montana belongs there either 1 or 2 , elway and Kelly does not, and I would not put Young in the top 5 either. Marino should be in the conversation and Brady is a definite top 5. Aikman does not belong in the discussion, if based on SB wins only then bradshaw would get the nod over him My hate free list for top 5 is 1. Montana 2. Brady ( would have been 1 easy if not for second half career playoff performance dip) 3. Manning 4. Marino 5. Farve Three of those QB's I don't like or played for teams I don't like but leaving them off would just be looking at it with hater glasses on. My reason for farve over young is that young did not play long enough, either way young is one of those handful of guys that could fit in that 5 slot. Same goes for a lot of the old time QB's that played in the football "deadball" era Mike Avallone [email protected],Corsair H115i cooler,ASUS 2080TI,GSkill 32GB pc3600 ram, 2 WD black NVME ssd drives, ASUS maximus hero MB
May 13, 201313 yr For the most part I agree with Mike....but here's my slighly modified list: Joe Montana Peyton Manning Tom Brady Brett Favre Dan Marino or Johnny Unitas....can't choose
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May 13, 201313 yr For the most part I agree with Mike....but here's my slighly modified list: Joe Montana Peyton Manning Tom Brady Brett Favre Dan Marino or Johnny Unitas....can't choose I considered Johnny U for my 5 as well, He put up some great numbers in a era when it was not easy to put up numbers. Great QB and does not get the credit today that he deserves. Mike Avallone [email protected],Corsair H115i cooler,ASUS 2080TI,GSkill 32GB pc3600 ram, 2 WD black NVME ssd drives, ASUS maximus hero MB
May 13, 201313 yr Shaun Alexander... Oh, wait, he was RB... :huh: He is only nfl player i know. [color=#a9a9a9][size=1][size=4][img]http://forum.avsim.net/public/style_images/flags/rs.png[/img][/size] Lj. Prodanovic[/size][/color]
May 13, 201313 yr 5 is too few, there are a lot of really good QBs... For me it's all about the SB wins in combination with stats so I'd rank them approximately thusly. Note: Yes, I am a huge Niners fan Montana - 4-0 in Super Bowls, never even throw an Interception, took part in the biggest blowout in SB history, this is a no-brainer Young - only had 1 SB, but he had fantastic numbers to go along with it Kaepernick - so much potential here, could leapfrog even Young and maybe Montana should he win 5+ SBs and he already lead the team to a near victory in the SB last year on just half of his first season as starter, broke NFL records in his first playoff game. He gets this spot on the list because of raw talent, potential, and the fact that he's on a great team that could bring back the dynasty days of the 80's/early 90's in S.F. Favre - great numbers, 2 SB wins, lots of INTs and a scandal or two plus a failed comeback bump him further down this list than some might have him Brady - 3 SB wins, some would have him further up this list but Manning - tremendous career, just doesn't have the SBs to back it up yet Bradshaw - won 4 SBs but he's half the QB of the guys in front of him (athletically, statistically) Elway - solid QB that deserves to be on this list, just didn't get enough SB wins to move higher in the list Marino - same story as Elway, but 0 SB wins moves him below Elway despite having better numbers
May 13, 201313 yr Author 5 is too few, there are a lot of really good QBs... For me it's all about the SB wins in combination with stats so I'd rank them approximately thusly. Note: Yes, I am a huge Niners fan Montana - 4-0 in Super Bowls, never even throw an Interception, took part in the biggest blowout in SB history, this is a no-brainer Young - only had 1 SB, but he had fantastic numbers to go along with it Kaepernick - so much potential here, could leapfrog even Young and maybe Montana should he win 5+ SBs and he already lead the team to a near victory in the SB last year on just half of his first season as starter, broke NFL records in his first playoff game. He gets this spot on the list because of raw talent, potential, and the fact that he's on a great team that could bring back the dynasty days of the 80's/early 90's in S.F. Favre - great numbers, 2 SB wins, lots of INTs and a scandal or two plus a failed comeback bump him further down this list than some might have him Brady - 3 SB wins, some would have him further up this list but Manning - tremendous career, just doesn't have the SBs to back it up yet Bradshaw - won 4 SBs but he's half the QB of the guys in front of him (athletically, statistically) Elway - solid QB that deserves to be on this list, just didn't get enough SB wins to move higher in the list Marino - same story as Elway, but 0 SB wins moves him below Elway despite having better numbers I kind of based my list on SB wins,stats,and SB appearances! This post aboves kind of explains my train of thought on my list. I had to add Kelly because his was a winner and it wasn't easy to add him over Marino, but..., he did send Marino home multiple times to at least play in 4 Super Bowls,and they played in the same division head to head! Favre won 1 SB and one decent stat season with the Vikings is why he is not on here! Thanks, O. Skinner
May 13, 201313 yr #1. Joe Montana #2. Steve Young #3. Jim Kelly #4. John Elway #5. Here I have a tie Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning,the reason being Troy Aikman did win more Superbowls than Manning, but Manning is the ultimate professional QB. I didn't add Tom Brady, because I feel he is a product of Belicheck system,and would be irrelevant in any other system, IMHO! I'd say the same list for me, although Kurt Warner did a great job with the Cardinals. I had a chance to meet and talk with Joe Montana in '89, between his Super Bowl wins of 1989 and 1990. I was left with two impressions--he is tall--much taller than he appeared on TV. And he is a down to earth, modest man who got along with everyone in the office I worked in. He asked for me when he left our property, which I thought was a very nice gesture since any one of us could have helped him. His wife then, Jennifer, was also extremely nice. I only saw Joe play live once--in a preseason game in the summer of '89. John Were/are any of these pilots? Joe Montana is an avid pilot. John
May 14, 201313 yr 5 is too few, there are a lot of really good QBs... For me it's all about the SB wins in combination with stats so I'd rank them approximately thusly. Note: Yes, I am a huge Niners fan Montana - 4-0 in Super Bowls, never even throw an Interception, took part in the biggest blowout in SB history, this is a no-brainer Young - only had 1 SB, but he had fantastic numbers to go along with it Kaepernick - so much potential here, could leapfrog even Young and maybe Montana should he win 5+ SBs and he already lead the team to a near victory in the SB last year on just half of his first season as starter, broke NFL records in his first playoff game. He gets this spot on the list because of raw talent, potential, and the fact that he's on a great team that could bring back the dynasty days of the 80's/early 90's in S.F. Favre - great numbers, 2 SB wins, lots of INTs and a scandal or two plus a failed comeback bump him further down this list than some might have him Brady - 3 SB wins, some would have him further up this list but Manning - tremendous career, just doesn't have the SBs to back it up yet Bradshaw - won 4 SBs but he's half the QB of the guys in front of him (athletically, statistically) Elway - solid QB that deserves to be on this list, just didn't get enough SB wins to move higher in the list Marino - same story as Elway, but 0 SB wins moves him below Elway despite having better numbers Kaepernick???? You can't seriously consider him a all time great after one season. I think what ends up happening with these list and discussions is people cloud it with what they like as a fan. If you look at it objectively there is no way you can put a guy who started one season on a top 5 list and leave off many HOF players to do so.. Marino was more than a Solid QB, he was a much better QB than Elway. His 1984 season in my opinion was the best passing season ever, even better than brady in 2007. Elway was flashy with his feet and could throw a deep ball but statistically was not on marinos level. Elway sent Marino home several times because Elway had a much better team, those dolphins teams were not all that great except for marino. I kind of based my list on SB wins,stats,and SB appearances! This post aboves kind of explains my train of thought on my list. I had to add Kelly because his was a winner and it wasn't easy to add him over Marino, but..., he did send Marino home multiple times to at least play in 4 Super Bowls,and they played in the same division head to head! Favre won 1 SB and one decent stat season with the Vikings is why he is not on here! Based on SB wins and appearances but yet you leave a guy off your list that has started 5 super bowls and won 3 of them. BTW Farve had lots of great stat seasons. Mike Avallone [email protected],Corsair H115i cooler,ASUS 2080TI,GSkill 32GB pc3600 ram, 2 WD black NVME ssd drives, ASUS maximus hero MB
May 14, 201313 yr Kaepernick.... You can't seriously consider him a all time great after one season. Based on SB wins and appearances but yet you leave a guy off your list that has started 5 super bowls and won 3 of them. BTW Farve had lots of great stat seasons. Try reading what I said after the names. I gave reasons for why each QB is where he is on the list. To whom are you referring with your "5 SB appearances, 3 wins" comment? Tom Brady is the only QB that's 3-2 in Super Bowl history and he's on my list.
May 14, 201313 yr TechguyMaxC, on 14 May 2013 - 10:48 AM, said: Try reading what I said after the names. I gave reasons for why each QB is where he is on the list. To whom are you referring with your "5 SB appearances, 3 wins" comment? Tom Brady is the only QB that's 3-2 in Super Bowl history and he's on my list. You have a first year year guy ranked third of all time, he has not won a single SB but your saying he could leap frog Montana. All time great lists are for people who have done it already not for guys who might do it. Plus Your top three is all niners QB's one being a first year starter, and your a niners fan. I remember about 10 years ago everybody was saying how brady is going to have way more SB wins than Montana.. How has that worked out for him and the patriots? So in my opinion you need to pump the brakes on Kaepernick a bit, he may never even get to another sb let alone win one. I am sure a lot of Dolphin fans in 1984 thought that Marino would win a ton of SB's. How did that work out? and Marino's second season (1984) was the best QB season of all time. Mike Avallone [email protected],Corsair H115i cooler,ASUS 2080TI,GSkill 32GB pc3600 ram, 2 WD black NVME ssd drives, ASUS maximus hero MB
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